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woauw! Surayya.. many questions, but I loves it 😉
But Emma wasnt born until much later than Regina & Z so why would she have anything to do with anything?
This is where I would have to use the she is the savior reason. I dont know how but for some reason Emma will either remember or learn what Z did and that Old Reality once existed, so that she will have to put Things back in order- she will want to get back to the reality in which Henry exists. Maybe it is something to do with the Hook Kiss? We also see him in AU, so they might be working together on getting thhings back in order. If Hook and Emma tricks Z into thinking, Hook has kissed Emma and stolen her magic (in This current reality) Z will start AU thinking Emma will not be able to hurt her, but because Emma didnt kiss Hook and still has her magic- this will enable her to remember “Old Reality”.
But Z is older than Regina, so how would you take that into account in switching them?
If Snowing baby is Regina and Z takes her and sends her back in time via twister to the time of her own baby-Hood, they would be the same age.
[adrotate group="5"]- Consistent causal loop (You can travel back, but you always did, so nothing changes. Ie. Any changes you make, you have already made, so the future doesnt change).
The only way I can see there being any point to time travel having any meaning for our characters is if they go with the grandfather paradox- so the characters we have now, travel back to try stop Z from changing the reality we have now.
Yes well that is exactly what would happen in the time-loop thingy I proposed. Z tries to change her past and her fate and ends up actually creating the exact history as it happened. She created the Twister, she ended up in!!!!
Questions- (this is sooooooo why I hate shows going into time travel lol)
Yea thanks for comment 🙂 *diving in–>*
1) Whats the point of Z creating a AU? As that would mean Z doesnt get what she wants anyway- she seems to umm… unstable to want another version of her self to get what she wants to be hers now? + we’d then have 2 of everyone- reality versions & AR versions all existing at the same time.
What she wants is the life she feels she was suppossed to have, which Regina got instead of her. And that is what she would get in this AU. We wouldnt have two versions of everyone because as soon as Z is the baby that grows up with Cora and Henry and Regina is the baby that goes to Oz the reality would be the different one and the characters as we know them would be erased and instead be the other version of themselves.
2) So who would raise baby Z? Snowings child replacing babyZ, doesnt = baby Z being raised by Cora, as Z was born before Cora married into royalty- thats why Cora gave her up….
In this version Cora never gave up Z. Emma was the one that took her ( this is the time Paradox thing: Because Emma travelled back in time to reset Things as they were, but how did Emma get there in the first place if Z never created the AU before??? -TIMEPARADOX wobly wobly mind!! 😛 but thats what is cool about it) And in the time of the AU, when Z puts the Snowing baby in the twister, Z is still back in her cradle in the Cora/Henry home.
3) If Z took his brains in the old reality- why would he be brainless in the new reality? There’d be 2 versions of Rumple, the one who’d already had his brains taken & the one AU one that hadn’t… (cause & effect has to come into play- the cause has to happen Before the effect)
Not two versions just the new version of Rumple. How would he be brainless- thats a tough one. I think when the twister magic hits ground in new AU that is when somehow Z makes sure brain and courage is sucked away from them. She takes Reginas Heart as she believes that will then make her not exist in AU. Z doesnt know the baby she sends to Oz is really Regina.
4) I thought part of why Z is doing what she’s doing is for Rumples love? & again cause & effect for Charming- the cause (taking courage) has to happen before the effect (becomes cowardly). If AU Charming hasnt had his courage stolen (it’s still intact), why would the courage Z has affect him?
Again the new versions of the characters are the only ones existing, not two versions at the same time.
5) If its a AU, why would new Emma, know what reality Emma knew? Creating a new reality means you’d have to have 2 versions of everyone (as I mentioned before- they’d be separate & distinct timelines, so what happens in one, wont effect the other), meaning all the causes happening in real time now, would have no effect in the new AU, as the causes have yet to happen to those AU versions of our characters. The only way around it, is to have Z going back & causing changes to her own reality- so that she herself, along with everyone & thing in our/this current reality, will be effected by those changes, which in turn means it is actually vitally important that the current/our reality characters try to stop her, as she will be changing them.
Okay maybe we have a different understanding of Alternate Universe/Reality. I mean that Z creates a nother reality and erases the one we have seen on the show up till now. Emma, being the savior, somehow uptains the knowledge of the Old Reality, maybe for some reason she will be able to remember.
6) If people remember their previous selves (before time tampering happened)- why wouldnt they remember it after time had been tampered with- ie. Hook would already know Emma, Emma would already know Hook, Snowing would know Hook & he them, Hook would also know what Regina & Cora become later on, so why work for them? the list goes on & on & gets very messy/ gaping plot hole territory :/
They wouldnt know eachother.. everything from the time of Z’s birth would be different. EVERYTHING from the moment of the twister is erased.
Not saying what you are proposing cant or couldnt happen, just they’d have to have hard & fast ‘rules’ of cause & effect/ AU (new separate & distinct version of events with whole new set of characters as the out come) vs altered reality (only one timeline which can be altered & therefore affects our current characters/universe).
I just dont see the point in time travel if the stakes are not high for our actual characters & this timeline.
The stakes would be high, because our current characters wouldnt exist the way we know them
Im very exited for the ep Jenna_B. Loving Z as a a villain more and more. Fairytales ARE dark! It was just Disney that got that part wrong.
No one is saying that fairy tales aren’t dark but there are some lines that I didn’t think ONCE would cross–rape, for instance. After the backlash for Regina and Graham, frankly, they should know better. Messing with an infant baby is also getting a little too post-9pm.
Fairy tales are dark but there is dark and then there is excessive.
Well I dont think they have crossed the line yet. Ofcourse that will always be a subjective opinion. But I dont think they will either. Its ABC right? they dont do many edgy Things in my understanding of them.
Im very exited for the ep Jenna_B. Loving Z as a a villain more and more. Fairytales ARE dark! It was just Disney that got that part wrong.
I agree RG the archtypical hero/Savior always pays with there life in some form and is then resurrected or ascends into heaven. But if she comes back just as she was – then what was the prize?
I believe, or what I wish and hope for the show, is that in the end in order for Emma to save her Family, she must give up her ‘life’ as a fairytale princess with magical powers and become just a regular human being. She will bring all her friends and Family with her out of Storybrook which will then seize to exist. This will be the resurrection into the real World.
So her prize is her magical self.
I think this would be a great story for them to tell. Because it would emphasize the importance and strenght that is in humanity. No supernatural powers and magic can save you, just your own strenght and ability to choose for your self. I think that is what the show had been trying to establish so far.
Cinders:
Emma is the savior, but she’s also human. She will be tempted to use magic at times, instead of relying on her own human strengths and capabilities.
Regina was corrupted by magic, as was Cora, Rumple, and even Zelena. Emma will be changed forever because of her use of magic.Yes I think that is very on point and Emma will, true to the myth of the savior, be tempted by evil and almost succumb to it before coming back to her true self.
Rumor has it that if you look up the word ‘puppy’ in the dictionary, there’s a picture of MRJ next to it.
LOL… I doubt he is very happy about that 😀
imo he looks more like a teddy bear. Not that I think that would make him happier 🙂
I think it would be great if she just drowned in Water. No magic needed for that. But it would still pay homage to the original Wicked Witch story.
Another thing Z has been going around trying to get all these ingredients Charmings courage Reginas Heart and Rumples brains and now she is after Emmas magic or more accurately as it was said in last ep she needs Emma without her magic right?
So what if what she needed from the other three was not courage, brains and Heart. but for them to be without it? meaning she needs Rumple brainless, Charming David courageless, Regina (well just not to exist) and Emma powerless. This she needs in order for the Alternate Reality to Work, so that neither of them can undoo it ones it is done. If Rumple still had brains in AU he might be able to change it back and so goes for Charming with courage and Emma with magic-
Okay! Im just so bad at explaining this but do you get my meaning?
But somehow maybe Hook and Emma is able to trick Z into thinking Emma is powerless when Z then puts the new curse to effect. Emma still has powers and Emma will therefor be able to somehow undoo the AU. Being the savior, that would seem fitting.
wierdness weirdness wierdness!!! I cant wait to see this ep so all this speculation will have maybe just a few answers. Im going crazy from all these different theories and non of them seem to fit O_0
Is Cora sealing a deal with Prince Leo with that kiss? like she Sealed deals with Rumple via kisses.
What is Regina holding? is it the hairpin poisoned with the sleeping curse again?
Why is Rumple being molested by his daughter?????
From When Henry walks in with the UNCharmings (who were more charming then ever before)
Henry : This was the best day ever. David let me drive his truck
Regina : WHAT!… Well as mayor I cant let an underage drive
Charming : As mayor you might want to do a Little rural repear
Regina : Excuse me?….. this is a terrible mistake
Charming– *runs away*
LOL LOL at Reginas reaction to learning her 12 year old son was driving and then trying to hide why she was shocked from Henry. And Charming having fun with teasing her.
Charming : What can I say Ive got a reckless carefree …fun side – *Looks at Emma* 😀
YAY for having an Ep where I could actually love Charming!!
