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I dont think all of the stories as we have seen them play out in the flashback from Enchanted Forest past were writtin in henry’s book… I dont think so.
[adrotate group="5"]Felie wrote-
“Yes. As I’ve said before on this post, her actions and intentions were immoral, and only she can be held accountable for them. Also, had she not been discovered by Neal and Belle then she would have been mostly to blame for his death. However, if her actions and intentions did not ultimately lead to the his death, then she cannot be blamed, despite all of her intentions
What I mean by this is; as soon as Neal found out about her plot his intentions then became the catalyst which led to his death. His knowledge of the situation overruled her influence since, as soon as her plan came to light, she no longer had any influence (if this makes any sense). Everything that happened thereafter was down to Neal’s actions making the Witch’s intentions of little consequence.
She is guilty of being immoral and attempting to trick Neal into exchanging his life for that of his father’s, but at this point she cannot be accused of being a murderer, or even of manslaughter.”
Hmm I see what you mean. But from your last line that she cant be accused of murder or manslaughter Im thinking you mean by the court of law or what? Because that is a whole different topic to get into and one I must confess to not know much about. But I would like to think that in a real world court of law, She would still be held somewhat accountable for his death. Again using the gun in hand analogy. She gave him the means, something he could have figured out eventually by himself for sure. But she gave them to him non the less. Say Woman A gave Dude B a gun and told him how to use it on Dude C. Then Dude B went out and shot Dude C with it. Woman A would be held as an accomplice in the murder by the court.
But just morally speaking. Is she accountable for his death in some way? Yes IMO, and Im not saying she alone is. You say after Neal discoveres the truth, she no longer has inflouence. But she had HAD inflouence, she “planted the seed” in him or maybe just watered the seed that was already there, meaning her actions did make the ball roll in the way of Neals death. Had she not done this, something else would have happened in Neals story and who is to tell what that might have been, it could have been with the same outcome, but it could also have been an intirely different one. But as it was, Her actions played a part in what came to be. Neal is not alone responsible for his own death, Z holds responsibility. And so in a more round-about-way does Rumple and even Regina and Emma, though they had absolutely no chance of predicting what of their prior actions would result in Neals death eventually. But morally I wouldn’t say Emma or Regina could be held responsible, but Rumple could, maybe, to an extent.
I know.. that is what I mean. I dont blame Z for Neals death, but for her intention to use him as a Tool to ressurect Rumple which she knew would result in his death.
But dont we blame her for her actions and the intentions behind them and not the outcome? The outcome will I believe always (or mostly) be the result of multiple peoples intentions and actions.
And if so the blame will be the same regardless of what result come from “evil” intentions.
This is a very philosophical discussion. I love those 🙂
I think alot of the trouble is that they have to many stories that they want to tell and they are not very good at “killing their darlings” so to speak. So at first they go in one direction but then, oh no… they also want to show a bit of this and then some of that.
Actually like if they/(the writes) were the Little red riding Hood in the forest. She wanted to pick the nicest flowers for her granny and then she just kept going further into the forest because she always saw a nicer flower beyond the one she was picking, until she got lost in the forest and met the wolf.
It would have been so much better if they had written a clear outline for the story from the beginning and agreed on just a select number of tales to tell. Then maybe they woudnt have gotten lost between all the stories/trees 🙂
RumBelle is my favorite part of the show, but it’s not the only reason I watch. I love all the characters and their relationships to each other. I love that it’s a big mash up of fairytales- professional fanfiction! At this point, I’m way too invested in the story to ever give up the show. I just am not the type to go from “this is the best show ever!” to “I never want to watch again!” It’s too big of a jump for me. Even if I disliked the direction they took the show in, I’d still want to know how everything turned out. I’m there for the journey- good or bad. There is nothing that would make me stop watching.
Yea thats pretty much the way I feel too. I think it was awhile ago, maybe last year, that I realized the show wasnt gonna live up to all I had expected of it. But I realized I had expected a lot, lol! And the show is the writers, the actors and the producers show to tell. Sure they mess up stuff. But Im gratefull they are making this show at all. So I let the mistakes go and enjoy the show for what it is.
Wow, the disdain is literally dripping off her words. Rebecca delivers it perfectly.
I agree she is brilliant in this. How ever brilliant though I am on Reginas side as always- EVILEAST!! as WR puts it 😀
And I simply loooooveee <3<3<3 this peek. Cant wait to see this ep. I might stay up to Watch it even though its like at 5 am that I can Watch it in my country. So the next day at Work will be a real bummer, but I think that ep is worth it 😀
Grimmsistr wrote:
I never knew there was a rule that you couldnt post a different view in the shipper threads. But wont do it Again then if that is how it is.That’s not how it is.
Okay 🙂
Trying to talk to a person about shipping is like talking religion or politics. It gets heated, it gets ugly. It’s not even the good kind of debate with respect on both sides
Because the fandom (all fandom I wager..and not just here at ONCE podcast) are sensitive when it comes to shipping. Grimm, you in particular : I wasn’t offended by what you asked or what you were saying. It’s just a sensitive time for some.[/quote]
Yes, I suppose I dont know so much about this shipping business and how sensitive a topic it can be. But Im glad I didnt offent yoy then 🙂
And it’s a fine line between stiffling conversation and letting all voices be heard, darn the consequences.[/quote]
I bet that is not always easy. I always do try to promote free speech wherever as long as its respectfull, but orcourse that is easy enough when you dont have to moderate between the fighters 🙂
It’s a tricky time. It will get better. [/quote]
that is good to hear.
We have *always* maintained the rule that you should not attack shippers in their threads because of fandom fighting. This is not a new rule. You may read whatever you so desire, naturally, but the shippers think of their threads as havens—all shippers: SF, CS, OQ, ect.
I posted in that SF thread the other day. Again it was just a question or a point of view and it was definantly not ment as trying to offent anyone. I never knew there was a rule that you couldnt post a different view in the shipper threads. But wont do it Again then if that is how it is.
