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And its when a person says “Why hope if it is not gonna get me anywhere?” that is when that person has lost the hope. To be hopeful we have to say “It might get me somewhere. Yes, I believe it will. So I will go do it” That is hope.
Then the fact that in the future it might not have worked out or gotten that person anywhere at all is a whole different matter.
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First I must stress that Im not trying to make you, or any other Neal fans, get over it and move on with this post. You do that when you want to. Im just trying to tell people my point of view and discuss it.
“Him never actually getting to see his son again before he died, is not a hopeful story.”
He had the hope though.. until his end. He was always hopeful. Throughout all that happened to him he never gave up trying to get back to his family (atleast in this season) both his father and Emma and Henry. That was a story of hope. What we could take with us and learn from Neal is that Hope is like the last straw that we have to hold on to. If we let go of that we really do fall all the way through that portal and it closes behind us.
“Rumple GIVING HIS LIFE to make up for his mistakes, so that his son could have a happy ending, and then having the son die, is not a hopeful story. What’s the point of villains trying to do better, if all they’re gonna get out of it is this. Everything that Rumple put everyone through in a bid to find his son, was for nothing, because now the son is dead. THE WHOLE STORY THE SHOW WAS BASED ON, EVERYTHING EVERONE WENT THROUGH, WAS FOR NOTHING IN THE END. How is there any hope in that story?”
Everything Rumple did to find his son and everything that happened because of it to everyone was not in vein he did find his son and he had redeemed himself in his sons eyes to no longer be a cowardly villain but a hero so the ending between rumple and Neal was a happy one. It was an ‘Actual ending’ though, and not a “they lived happily ever after one”
“Killing a character that was the embodiment of those qualities is NOT a story of hope. Many people believe that the whole message of the show has been a lie.”
I think in fact the death of one of the hero characters that never got dealt any easy hand in life at all and who had to struggle his whole life. Is VERY true to what this shows premise is and has been from the beginning. Which his life and destiny don’t care whether you are good or bad, it is your choice and you are not privileged because you are “the hero type” you make your choices and life happens according to it. And then indeed yes, life can sometimes just be “the bitch” and in the end we all die whether we lived a fulfilling happy life or not. But it’s the second that we let go of the hope that we don’t stand a change. Neal had the chance of happiness with Emma and Henry and he had it shortly. He wouldnt have had it without hope.
“…even if they’re in the same crappy position in their own lives, there’s still a happy ending out there for them to keep dreaming about, because everyone deserves a happy ending. That message has been shot to crap now..”
Its where you say that the idea that Hoping will get you anywhere, has been shot to crap because Neal hoped but then he just died- That is where we disagree.. and that is fine!! May I ad that, I respect that this is how you feel about it and that that is your opinion and Im not trying to change it, just trying to tell you why I feel, what I feel about it. And then Im hoping we can both say “hmmm.. interesting that she feels the opposite from me about it!”
Neal had hope until his end. It didn’t get him much of anything, but he had it. Without it he would probably not have gotten beyond Neverland. He would always have been a lost boy.
I agree with you to an extent though, because the writing of Neals story could have been a lot better and conveyed the message better. But I don’t think that it was the death that turned it around. I agree with the writers on that choice. But It could have been better from the beginning.I guess what I take from the Neal, Emma and Henry story is that we must keep hoping despite all the crap that happens.
Oh I do remember that Tiara the cinnamon bun place 😀 its so confusing when people change avatars…
But yea I understand you wanted to see it on the show. What I found out from writting some fanfiction is that it actually gives me the same satisfaction as had it really happened on the show. Many times have I fantasized over a show, just in my mind without writing it Down or read some fanfiction written by others, but when you really get it to it and write a story on your own it is something different and I saw the story happen just as vividly as if it was on the tv screen. So it gave me the same as what watching the show does, if not more actually…
Only thing is now Im sometimes confused as to what really happened on the actual show or in my imagination LOL!! But keep the hope that it will happen on the show Tiara. After all we will never know until that fat lady sings 🙂
I believe they could go that way but if they then stayed true to the story that would mean Emma had to die to be with Neal in the Underworld 🙁 I wouldnt want that.
But the story is beautiful. Like a Romeo and Juliette story.
I agree that if they did resurrect Neal their Whole promise about death being death and irreversable would go totally Down the drain, so I do belive NEal’s death was final.
Im afraid I cant jump fully on the wagon to bring Neal back. I loved the idea of Swanfire, but I guess that will not be on this show… anyway, that is what we have fanfiction for 🙂 Tiara, You can write the Swanfire Fic where Emma and Neal are Eurydice and Orpheus !
I just had a crazy thought.
Z says to Rumple when he asks her what she wants. That it is something he has searched for his Whole life or something like that right. Rumple has searched for a way to be reunited with his son his Whole life.. What if Z had a son or a kid and she is trying to be reunited with Him/Her?
the resurrection thing could tie into this. Maybe her baby died or was taken from her and put in some other realm like Neal and Rumples story. And Z is trying, by some magical Means were she needs the courage- the Heart- and the mind, to “ressurect” the baby… And so her interest in those babies, both Cinderella’s and what’s’name and the Charming baby is because she is trying to make her own baby come alive Again through them.. or, well you know what I mean right? 😀
crack theory forming!!
Yea I think for sure you’re right whit the ressurection. Thats what Regina tried to do with her true love Daniel
Oh yes I see it above in your post now, sorry! in the last paragraph you wrote dislike Milah and her thats what I misunderstood.
I think definantly hating the action and not the person is what we should always try our best to do. But its not always easy.. especially if some ill-act is done towards our selves or a person we really like. Its in the human nature to fight that enemy and an enemy usually needs a face for us to fight them. Thats why the scapegoat was invented when the enemy is faceless, we put a face on it ourselves.
