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@slurpeez108 wrote:
maybe there never was a direct conflict between Rumpel and Cora after all. All Rumpel said is that Regina reported that she saw Cora’s body. .
Your right Rumple never saw the ‘dead’ Cora so there probably wasn’t a direct confrontation or battle between them- too bad 🙁 no Once Upon a Time in the West reference this time around. Never mind they’re probably saving it for later 😀
[adrotate group="5"]They should make a reference too ‘Once Upon a Time in the West’ for the battle between Rumple and Cora
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
@ceege wrote:
Didn’t Regina also say “I saw her body”? So both of them assume Cora is dead. If they battled in Wonderland, why would Rumple bring her body back? Unless he took Regina with him to go battle Cora. I don’t recall Hat Trick well, but was Regina aware of the Queen of Hearts? If so, then we can’t have both Cora as the QofH AND assumed to be dead by Regina at the time of that episode. Since Page is about the same age in Storybrook as in the events of Hat trick, the episode happened soon before the curse, and does not leave enough time for a battle to the death.
Sarah-Daye Hand wrote: Unless thats why she covers her face up? Maybe no one knows that the queen is Cora. And when they thought she was dead she became the queen?
If Cora faked her own death, she may have then disguised herself as the Queen of Hearts, all the while keeping her face hidden. So that when Regina came to Wonderland searching for her father, she might have thought her mother already dead.
Regina knew who the Queen of hearts was in ‘Hat trick’ Jefferson asks her if she knows her and she says, better than most. So if it’s her mother, she can’t think she is dead at that time. Then that battle they refer too must happen later. Unless the veiled Queen is someone else entirely.
There is still the possibility that Cora is the Red Queen and then someone else is the Queen of hearts, this would be fun, I think, there is a history of these two Queens always being confused with eatchother.
@NONNIE wrote:
H&K has stated that they have a idea of how they want this story to play out over 5 seasons of an over arching story. The individual pieces / stories will fit with that arch. I think that is why they write filler stories and plan nuggets for the over lying story in the fillers. They have a master plan and are trying to pace each season to that plan.
Where did you hear them say that ?? Would love to read or hear that interview..
@AntBee wrote:
I guess it might be too much like Buffy the Vampire Slayer in that every year there’s a new big bad/bads to overcome. Maybe the final season, they could have the villains unite or something big like that.
I thought that’s what they’re doing now, well mostly since I think Regina and/or maybe even Rumple, could pop again as the main villain some season. Anyhow, I’m all for Hook becoming darker and darker at least this season, but next season, I wouldn’t mind having a new villain or villains again and having Hook be shipped off somewhere except maybe a few times a season. I agree though that Barrett looks to be the next big villain, but I wonder if we’ll actually see that this year, or if they’ll wait to next season to do so.
All these villains popping in from the sides. I thought one of the main ideas of the show was to show it isn’t black and white your not either the hero or the villain. I guess it’s a matter of perspektive 🙂
But I think they should keep the ones they’ve already got. And then maybe make some of the good guys more suspicious. The BIG BAD isn’t that maybe the use of magic… ???A little correction of my former post. Of course it does matter to find the right clues and connections the way that the writers thought them.
But there are different ways of interpreting fairytale,s phsycological wise or storytelling wise. I tent to go more for the phsycological way, where I sometimes think the writers thought it differently..@myril wrote:
Possible, that someone in the prop department making the book just happens to love these two fairy tales. They had to come up with text to make it look right. 😉
You never know with these guys.
@myril wrote:
Cinderella) – The Juniper Tree (Von dem Machandelboom) –The Glass Coffin (Der Gläserne Sarg)- Richilde(here we go, a saint, doctor universalis, and legend has it, he discovered the philophers stone, was a magician, and had characteristic of Merlin, or would it be Rumpelstiltskin here … what a great start for more speculations)
Thanks for all of that, very interesting! Sometimes it doesn’t matter to me if the creators of the show actually thought of the same connections. They are taking these tales wich are ‘mirrors’ of all human consiousness, so they don’t own the rights to tell us what the truth is. But they make us see the old tales with new eyes and I love that. Really it’s like a painting, some painters would not tell you their own interpretation of the painting, because you see what you see and the artwork is what happens between you and the painting, not what’s on the canvas. Like that, I think This artwork, is all of our ideas, the writers and ours in one meshup. Of course it’s great fun when we do make the same connections 😀
@AntBee wrote:
Anyhow, I thought this quote from an interview Jamie Chung did with ET was interesting,
Chung: – but then, whatever can be used for good can also be used for evil. That’s a big theme in the next two episodes. What was once good can be used for evil, and vice versa. It’s really important to keep that in mind over the next two weeks.
Well there you go!
Henry is going to turn too The Dark Side 😈 He’s the new Anakin.I guess there is still some flicker of emotions left 😯
This heart magic business is so complicated. Fells like brain surgery 😉
@EvilQueen wrote:
Ok, my interpretation is that Rose-Red (who is just like Ruby, “outspoken and cheerful and loves to play outside”) IS the bear i.e. wolf and the girls both learn to live with it (as compared to original story where bear sleeps at their place every winter night) and control it.
As for the dwarf, it sort of comes down to Rumple but then again, I don’t really want to see him being blamed for every single villain in FTL. But there is a ‘complicated history’ between Rumple and Granny and in the story the dwarf steals all the bear’s GOLD. Although, why would Mr Gold steal it, if he can make it himself? There could be a twist to the story, maybe it’s about the red cape?Thanks 😀
Gold (the metal) I think sometimes just represents something ‘precious to the person like the child or stealing everyones love away. In that case both Rumple, Regina, the beast/wolf/bear inside you, can all be the little ungratefull dwarf.Throwing my thoughts out there ➡
There’s something about balance being thrown of balance. Something about needing family or loved ones to help you find that balance. Because we as humans need others around us to be whole. So Snow and Red need eatchother or in this case Red needed Snow to find balance/pease with her inner wolf. Thats why Snow White in the fairytale marries the bear in the end. Red helpt Snow a bit with finding her more nature, animalistic side.
And the little dwarf is killed. I’m thinking this is something about the ungrowth, miscreature, little human who is also in a way the monsterous side of human kind but the unrealised kind and therefor the miscreature. But he is ‘part’ of the bear or the same thing as the bear- the ‘animal’ side of the girls. They are united with the good part of that side in the end and throws their worries and prejudges of it away- killing the dwarf.Most important thing here I think is- We need others too help us be whole
It’s a bit more clear to me now. But I would still love if the writers put more links to Snow White and Rose Red in to the story. Has anyone seen something else, symbols etc. ?
