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@slurpeez108 wrote:
Great idea for a thread! I can’t really make out the poster in the first photo, but I think at the top it contains some nonsense words: Sled Bland. A quick internet search didn’t reveal anything with those words. In the second photo, there is a poster with a skeleton that looks like the Grim Reaper (associated with death) above the red sign with the number 13 (which according to superstition is unlucky). The number 13 is also repeated as the locker number, making me wonder what’s in the locker. The cards appear on the locker to be a royal flush from left to right in ascending order: 10, Jack, Queen, King, Ace, straight in Clubs, like you’d find in a winning hand in a game of poker. Maybe the combined symbolism suggests that Baelfire/Neal gambled and cheated death. Baelfire associates his father, the Dark One, with death and destruction, and yet, ironically Bae/Neal managed to escape the fate of death for centuries after he went through the bean hole. How? Could he have gone to Neverland, a world without time? 💡
Really love your thinking on this one Slurpeez.
@SpinningGold wrote:
In The Book of Thoth, the suit of wands is associated with the action of the Will and the element of fire. (Baelfire! You know Bael is a demon name? I find that somewhat…surprising)
A Canaanite deity…which would be considered a demon…or false god…is normally spelled Baal but can be spelled Bael.
[adrotate group="5"]@RumplesGirl wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
AntBee I’ve been thinking that all day…that they go back on Hook’s ship…I think the ship is the only way Hook could get to New York in the first place…he knows nothing about cars (except how to dodge them now) and planes and whatever. He just sails down the coast and Emma and company sail back…I hope they show the scene of Hook coming into New York Harbor(is that right)…just the look on people’s faces…let’s face it…it isn’t exactly a modern looking ship and Hook dressed in his outfit and he has his hook back…I want to see it.
I think you and AntBee are on the right track. For Hook to suddenly get on a plane and get to NYC makes very little sense. He’s been in our world for a very short period of time. I wonder if he can cloak his ship and sail it.
Wanted to add this after thinking about it last night. The writers on the podcast said that there were some very important things in Hook’s ship that belong to Cora…and one very important thing. I had been wondering if that might not have been her heart. If it is and she doesn’t get it before Hook sets sail for Manhattan it might be possible that once Cora gets the dagger that Emma and co. might find her heart on the ship…they would then have a trump card when dealing with Cora when she comes after Rumple with the dagger…Something Cora would be willing to exchange the dagger for.
@Elle wrote:
Some people on tumblr seemed convinced that Neal is no longer in love with–but it seems better that they are not falling over each other. Emma is hurt. Baelfire has a lot to deal with–just found out his has a son, Emma hates his guts, and his father still looks to magic to solve his problems and has clearly not learned.
People generally see what they want to see. I think in the beginning that Neal was fishing around to see if Emma still might have feelings for him, when he said he thought that maybe something good may have come from them being together. If she had said “yes maybe there was” (even if she hadn’t told him about Henry) I think he would have taken that as an indication that she still felt something for him. It is probably the only time during the night I saw a glimmer of that insecurity(for fear of what she might say) that I saw in the hotel room with Emma when he was suggesting that it was time for them to get a place and settle down. So yeah I think in the very beginning he really was hoping she might have some feelings for him which means he probably does still have feelings for her.
He really even wasn’t willing to give up the hope that something was there until she ripped off the key chain necklace and gave it to him…I think then and only then did he believe that she hated him..and it was only then that he would make the suggestion that she let him go and “she would never have to see him again”.
Honestly maybe Nealfire is right about all the fate and destiny stuff because it really should have ended right there. But …we get the whole baby’s daddy scene…I did not like it when Emma told Henry not to tell Neal his age…she went out of her way to keep it from Neal and then essentially told Henry that Neal was a bad guy (not true…even the writers said that he and Emma were stealing to survive).
I get it…she was angry…she was upset…Neal is her only target so he’s getting the brunt of it…but I swear he didn’t look mad when she finally admitted that he was Henry’s father. He was mad later…yeah…but I wouldn’t be surprised if the revealing of Henry as his son may have given him hope that he and Emma might eventually get back together (at least from what I saw in this episode…at this point though I doubt Emma is thinking the same thing).
I do wonder if protecting Henry from Neal(and Rumple) had not been a consideration if Emma would have been so harsh…she found out that she had not been played…I know that doesn’t erase the hurt but it should have been a step in the right direction. I also wonder if her bigger fear may not have been that if Neal comes into Henry’s life then he’s going to abandon him just like he did her. Hopefully more answers on March 3.
@jessista wrote:
Actually, I’ve been to South Street Seaport in NYC, and a lot of the ships I’ve seen there (they have a museum indoors, so maybe that explains it?) look like old-type ships. Hook’s getup would be kind of crazy looking, even to New Yorkers.
So the ship might fit right in but not the clothing…and if he’s got his hook back lol…then again maybe people would just think they were filming some movie…which is why I don’t Greg and his cell phone…load that thing up on youtube and no one would believe it was real.
@HappyEndings wrote:
I wonder how Hook even got to NY in the 1st place, and if Neal was Peter Pan wouldn’t he or Cook recognized each other?
Talk about pot holes that Tiny Episode had a lot, like why did Emma and Cook have to have something on their wrists to climb the beanstalk, and why didn’t James just throw all the money down for his Kingdom, plus how did Cora capture the Giant in the 1st place. 😕
I hope this episode doesn’t miss alot of details like again..
The stuff about James bothered me as well…they killed all those giants and got just a few trinkets…they could have easily went back and took out one giant and took every piece of treasure in the place.
As for Hook and Neal recognizing each other…unlikely if Bae was frozen at 14 in Neverland all those years…Hook may not recognize the adult version. That’s one of the worries I have with the Peter Pan or lost boy storyline and yes I do think they are taking Nealfire there…but if he was young when he got there they will have to use the other actor and that kid is growing up fast…I hope they do it early in season 3…time is ticking…tick tock.
AntBee I’ve been thinking that all day…that they go back on Hook’s ship…I think the ship is the only way Hook could get to New York in the first place…he knows nothing about cars (except how to dodge them now) and planes and whatever. He just sails down the coast and Emma and company sail back…I hope they show the scene of Hook coming into New York Harbor(is that right)…just the look on people’s faces…let’s face it…it isn’t exactly a modern looking ship and Hook dressed in his outfit and he has his hook back…I want to see it.
Totally agree that there are way too many narratives going on right now…but just think how bad it would have been if they hadn’t shelved some of the new characters they had planned to bring in. As for Belle…I’m pretty sure it will swing back her way once Rumple returns and all the shock has worn off about Nealfire. Rumple will stop at nothing to get Belle’s memory back…she is the one person that has loved him unconditionally(she knew about Milah and still stood by him). He’ll never give up on her.
@BeastWhisperer wrote:
Love how Neal noticed the keychain around her neck too. He might believe her line about keeping it to remind herself not to trust, but how will she explain the car? She actually still loves him too. Love how he went to protect her from Rumple, and the ‘bad impression’ that they were talking about in the spoilers was Rumple threatening Emma.
I think that her line about trust was something she thought of on the spur of the moment (Anton used something similar with the magic bean around his neck and we’ve just seen Tiny…I don’t think that was a coincidence). She may still have feelings for him but she’s too angry to admit that right now and it’s way too soon. And no matter how she might feel deep down her number one priority was Henry.
From her perspective she had to protect Henry from the bad guy and the bad guy’s father who was even worse. Even after hearing what Neal had to say(and no I don’t think he did a great job explaining) she still sees Neal as the guy who played her…and yeah I get that …she has spent all this time thinking that is what he did…one conversation is not going to suddenly change her opinion and see him in a new light never the less I was disappointed in how she described Neal to Henry.
I actually think if there was anything out of the whole thing that might have proven to her that Neal had really loved her and she had meant something to him it was when she found the dreamcatcher.
I do want to say this though…the Milah/Rumple storyline kind of paralleled the Emma/Neal one. Milah and Emma both reacted to Rumple and Nealfire in the same way when it came to them taking advice…Rumple from the Seer and Nealfire from Pinocchio. Both storylines find a new son at the end of them.(Baby Bae and Henry). I just hope the romances don’t parallel one another…but then again the Neal and Emma romance has also paralleled Snow and PCs…and since it was their daughter that got them back together by breaking the curse…I’m thinking Henry will have something to do with bringing Emma and Neal back together.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
@LilaMae wrote:
Although Nealfire knows about Emma having his son, he doesn’t know that she gave him up for adoption yet. I wonder if we are going to see that on screen? Also, if someone doesn’t punch August in the face for what he did to Emma, I will be very annoyed!
Please let David punch Pinocchio in the jaw, first for taking his place in the magical wardrobe, and then for making Neal leave his teenage daughter pregnant and alone.
Would love to see that but considering the spoilers we’ve seen about August’s current state don’t really see that happening…besides it might physically hurt David more than August plus he could get splinters.
Seriously though I do hope that confrontation will lead to Emma easing up on Nealfire…right now he’s taking all the heat for what happened and he’s the only target she’s got.
@AngieBelle wrote:
It kinda bothered me that Rumple offered to make Bae young again and tried to fix things with magic…we had a more heartfelt reaction when Rumple thought August was Bae last season. Back then, he promised no more magic.
Yes…but he didn’t have magic then…much easier to give up something you don’t have than something you do have especially when you’re addicted to it.
