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I wonder if the price for using magic was that he would lose his family…but perhaps the savior was the loophole(one could hope)…and that through the savior he could have his family restored. He brings Emma to get Bae to talk to him…maybe he just doesn’t know the extent to which she can restore his family (not knowing Nealfire is Henry’s father).
Then again perhaps the price was Bae’s happiness…Neal did have to give up Emma because of the curse. Or it could be worse…Nealfire’s eventual death. And if we’ve been punked and Neal isn’t Bae, maybe the price was Bae’s death (long shot in my opinion).
Also thought of another potential liar…the seer…be a kick in the head to find out she lied to Rumple about the prophecy. Hey…they said she was a seer…they didn’t say she was truthful….more than likely Pinocchio though since they said nature and nurture were prevailing themes…we know his nature…and since the “appearance” more than likely has to do with Neal what exactly did he lie to him about.
[adrotate group="5"]@slurpeez108 wrote:
4. Someone gets royally screwed over.
This is what I’ve been wondering about the most! I think it could be the seer in the Rumple flashback, or maybe even pre-dark Rumple himself.
I’m thinking this is referring to the betrayal thing with Regina…she is royalty after all…the evil queen.
Major lie? With everyone coming clean we still get somebody lying. Top contenders I’d say are Neal, Emma, or Rumple since the Manhattan part centers on them. Neal could be hiding something. Emma could lie to protect Henry. And I can see Rumple lying if he thought Bae would reject him. Then again it could easily be Cora.
Could also be August…since he is supposed to have a brief appearance…he is Pinocchio after all.
The fact that they need much needed comedy relief…lol…now I’m on pins and needles again.
@Schmacky wrote:
There’s so much stuff going on in this episode I’m slightly nervous that it’s all going to go too fast.
This show really loves to plow through plot and breakthroughs without pausing for character moments.
However, this makes me feel better and I’m really excited about it:This has been my only complaint this season…they went much more slowly last season in relation to character development. And this episode sounds slam packed full of stuff…better not blink our eyes or we’re liable to miss something.
One of the things she said that intrigued me was that the nature versus nurture issue would be heavy in this episode and with Rumple/Neal/Henry and a flashback of Rumple’s dad being involved I’m wondering just how all that will play out. We pretty much know Neal is Bae so Henry is Rumple’s grandson and was raised by Regina for 10 years yet he seems like a sweet kid. So I would say nature won out since Bae was sweet natured.
Yet for all that Regina came across as a loving person that was turned by the nurturing(if you can look at it like that…his influence at the very least and manipulation) of Rumple (her being his apprentice) and became like her mother and now is with her mother. I’m not convinced that nurturing has won out here quite yet though…I still have hope that Regina will find her real self again…the one that Daniel knew…never the less I do like having evil Regina back again at least for a while…she’s great either way.
I do wonder if Neal and Emma will even get the chance to iron out any of their issues…the comment she gave that their reunion was interesting didn’t sound all that encouraging…I think most of it might focus on the Bae side of things rather than Neal and turning her in to the cops 11 years ago. Looking forward to the Neal/Gold interaction though.
@oceangypsy wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
@oceangypsy wrote:
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
I think she said that suffering wasn’t the reason either…that’s when she started talking about the devious plot that was afoot.
Hmmm… Then my guess is they need Rumple’s magic for maybe even. .. good? That would be a twist, right?
I think she was talking about Regina getting Henry back at the time she started talking about the plot. I’m wondering if Cora may not try and use Rumple to kill Emma…since Cora couldn’t crush her heart herself…maybe she thinks Rumple can off her … whatever the case if Cora is really helping Regina I think Emma is in danger.
@oceangypsy wrote:
My guess is they want to make Rumple suffer. Force him to kill Belle or Bae.
I think she said that suffering wasn’t the reason either…that’s when she started talking about the devious plot that was afoot.
@Phee wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Barbara: “Who is Regina’s enemy, fundamentally, once and for all? And that is the point of the whole thing. Who is Regina’s REAL enemy? Who is it that killed Regina’s happiness?”
Other chick: “Well it was her mother.”
Barbara: “But in CORA’S point of view?……Think about the whooooooooooole thing, at the beginning of the series, and you’ll see what they’re going for.”It’s around the 47min mark in the interview if you wanna listen to that whole part of the convo. I can’t come up with anything new in relation to that hint she attempted to drop.
I’m thinking Rumple since he tricked Regina into the Dark Curse in the first place…it may have been the reason Cora wouldn’t let Regina leave all those years…she was afraid Rumple would get to her. Then again they might be pointing to Snow (going back to the shows roots). I don’t know how that works in with the betrayal thing unless Cora reveals to Regina the reason the Dark Curse was really cast… She thought Rumple was helping her…but if he arranged all the things in her life that led to all the bad in her life…like Snow and the runaway horse that led to Daniels eventual death…she would see that as betrayal.
It’s just that she was making it sound like it’ll be some big new revelation that’ll make us look at things differently. Rumple screwing over Regina her whole life isn’t exactly a new revelation, I mean, DUH! 😆 Was about to say that maybe Regina didn’t realise the full extent of the manipulation, but then I remembered how I’d assumed that she’d figured out that Jefferson, Viktor and Rumple all conspired against her and set her up, (which is why she made sure that Viktor was cursed, and it explains her extra special disdain for Jefferson), so that wouldn’t really fit as a big twist for me either, if it’s Regina discovering what a pawn she’d been in Rumple’s game.
The article said go back to the beginning…got any other ideas ❓ They are supposed to be drawing up sides now…I doubt Rumple and Regina will be on the same side regardless if The Miller’s Daughter is any indication. I suppose a surprise could be the Blue Fairy…she was there at the start with Rumple and Bae which threw this whole thing in motion.
At first I thought that Cora was just using getting Henry back as an excuse to worm her way back into Regina’s life but I guess that part about the devious plot afoot to get Henry back and her fearing for a powerless Rumple means Cora really is going to try and help Regina in her own twisted way.
@Phee wrote:
Barbara: “Who is Regina’s enemy, fundamentally, once and for all? And that is the point of the whole thing. Who is Regina’s REAL enemy? Who is it that killed Regina’s happiness?”
Other chick: “Well it was her mother.”
Barbara: “But in CORA’S point of view?……Think about the whooooooooooole thing, at the beginning of the series, and you’ll see what they’re going for.”It’s around the 47min mark in the interview if you wanna listen to that whole part of the convo. I can’t come up with anything new in relation to that hint she attempted to drop.
I’m thinking Rumple since he tricked Regina into the Dark Curse in the first place…it may have been the reason Cora wouldn’t let Regina leave all those years…she was afraid Rumple would get to her. Then again they might be pointing to Snow (going back to the shows roots). I don’t know how that works in with the betrayal thing unless Cora reveals to Regina the reason the Dark Curse was really cast… She thought Rumple was helping her…but if he arranged all the things in her life that led to all the bad in her life…like Snow and the runaway horse that led to Daniels eventual death…she would see that as betrayal.
@Kranen wrote:
Urg. I don’t like this. It’s not good for my heart. I hate shocks. My heart only just suck back into place after Hook shot Belle & she fell over the line (I so didn’t see that coming!)
I don’t like surprises either…it’s why I look for spoilers…where is that guy that used to give the Lost scripts 24 hours in advance? 😀
As for the item in the box not being a picture of the dagger…surprised already..an enchanted heart is my second guess.
She does seem a little startled…killing Rumple may not be a part of Cora’s plan Might be why only Cora and Regina are at Gold’s shop with the dagger in The MIller’s Daughter…perhaps the three of them split on what they want to do…Hook wants to kill Rumple…Cora wants to control him (with Regina siding with Cora).
