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The problem is that Rumpel doesn’t care about the family at all, he wouldn’t even think of them except for the fact that he is using them. Regina cares very much, the problem is that it is all negative.

Exactly. Rumple is neutral, he doesn’t know the people too much, at times he’s even sympathetic, Regina’s negative emotions are involved- she hates the Charmings with all her might and wants revenge. Rumple doesn’t engage in their lives unless it serves his purpose, Regina engaged all means and resources to make their lives a living hell. Rumple hasn’t tried to hurt them physically so far, Regina has done it a couple of times. I think the question who is a bigger threat to the Charmings answers itself. And I’m not sure on what ground it can be assumed that Rump will be more dangerous to them in the future, so far he hasn’t done anything other than manipulating personally directed at them.

I believe that Rump would hurt one of the Charmings only if they tried to hurt Belle or stop him from getting to Bae/foiling his plans of finding him, which I don’t think they ever will. Other than that I doubt Rump would even bother.

And I don’t agree that Rumple kills some random people just because they are there. Both Regina and Rumple have reasons why they kill. We may not like or accept them, but they are there.

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I think it’s pretty obvious by looking at the promos and sneak peeks that Regina is the real antagonist and the Charmings are first and foremost going against her. But it was obvious even before the promos appeared on the basis of what happened so far in the series.
After all Regina not Rumple is the one who tried to put both Snow and Emma under the sleeping curse which is considered worse than death, ordered to kill Charming, manipulated someone into killing Snow’s father and almost killed Henry. She’s the Charmings’ personal enemy not Rump.
But it’s not only that. It’s also the difference between Regina’s and Rumple’s attitude towards other people. Regina takes pleasure in other people’s suffering and tries to make everybody else around her miserable. Her happy ending is depriving other people of their happily ever after. With Rumple it’s different. I agree that he doesn’t care about people other than his loved ones and uses others as a means to an end which is finding his son. But contrary to Regina he doesn’t enjoy their misery and doesn’t actively seek opportunities to make them unhappy. He’s not emotionally involved in their lives, he just doesn’t care. His happy ending is the reunion with his son. He’s obviously no angel. If a member of Charming family ever tried to get in the way of finding his son, he would be capable of murder, I’m sure. But his goal is not hurting the Charmings, whereas Regina’s is. And the Charmings know that.

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1. The character you first fell in love with…
Emma, I think. I liked her a lot in the first episodes. It was easy to identify with her, because I, as a viewer, was new to SB as well.

2. The character you never expected to love as much as you do now…
Rumpelstitskin/Mr. Gold. In the pilot I thought Rumpel was too weird and over-the-top. Then they toned him down a bit.

3. The character everyone else loves that you don’t…
It’s easy. Jefferson/Mad Hatter. Somehow both the character and the actor rub me the wrong way. But I like Mad Hatter more than Jefferson.

4. The character you love, but everyone else hates…
Sydney. He cracks me up sometimes.

5. The character you used to love, but don’t any longer…
I think I don’t like Emma as much as at the beginning.

6. The character you would totallly smooch…
It’s hard to choose. So much eye-candy.

7. The character you’d want to be like…
Belle or Snow

8. The character you’d like to slap…
Sydney. To help him shake off that ridiculous infatuation for Regina.

9. A pairing that you love…
Rumbelle without a doubt. But I have a feeling that if they give Whale a love interest, I will love it too.

10. A pairing that you despise…
Golden Swan and Mad Swan. Can’t decide which one more. I just don’t see romantic potential when people treat each other as a means for achieving their goals.

I agree it was fun. Thanks for posting Josephine.

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I know people keep repeating that, but when was Belle actually anti-magic per se? All I remember was that she wanted to break his curse, not because using magic was a part of it, but because it made Rumple evil. I don’t know. Maybe I’m just missing something.

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For me it wouldn’t be realistic to hold a grudge against someone for 28 years, or even longer. Belle was probably already imprisoned when the curse was being enacted.
Besides it was an argument in which they both participated. Rumple is the one to blame, of course. He should apologise because he’s the one who started the whole thing and definitely overreacted. But as far as hurtful words are concerned Belle didn’t spare him either.
The fact that they argued, no matter how fierce the argument was, didn’t make Belle’s feelings for Rumple evaporate. Love doesn’t work that way.

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I agree with you about Jefferson. It’s great that he freed Belle, but the truth is he didn’t do it because he felt the need to help her. He did it for himself. And he didn’t lift a finger to help her earlier.
There were some other things I didn’t like about his actions in the last two episodes. For example the fact that he agreed to work for Regina again and seemed genuinely surprised that she didn’t keep her part of the deal. I think it was obvious for everyone that she wouldn’t keep her word and it should have been obvious for him especially, but he for whatever reason seemed shocked by the revelation.
The most bothering thing about Jefferson, though, is that he agreed to get the poisonous apple for Regina knowing that she would use it to put Emma under the sleeping curse. And he didn’t care about it. He just didn’t give a flying fig. If Henry died, that would be his fault just as much as Regina’s.

I’m not sure about this character either. After Hat trick I thought he was rather desperate than villanous. But at this point I don’t know. He doesn’t seem to care about other people at all. Are we supposed to see another villain in him?

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After doing some thinking I realised that the scene between Rumple and Belle may be disturbing for some people, especially for the ones who more personally relate to the theme of abuse. If that’s the reason some people don’t like that storyline, then I respect that.
I just don’t see their overall relationship as abusive because neither Belle nor Rumple exhibit behaviour typical for victim/abuser in an abusive relationship. Besides I’ve never really perceived OUaT Belle as a victim.
There was one time when Rumple freaked out, yelled at Belle, shook her and threw her into the dungeon. It was despicable behaviour. But as Midnight Dreary and Josephine rightly said he is the Beast. He is not supposed to be Mr Warmth. The scene was purposedly incorporated into the story to make his beastly nature come out to both viewers and Belle. Thanks to that scene we learn that even when confronted with Rumple’s worst side of nature, Belle did not give up on him or stop loving him.
I don’t think it was the writers’ intention to portray their relationship as abusive, let alone advertise or glorify abuse in relationship. At least I hope it wasn’t. They just wanted to stay true to the message from The Beauty and the Beast. As one wise man once said you don’t love for something, you love despite everything.

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I don’t agree that Belle was afraid of Rumple. When he told her to leave she came back to give him a piece of her mind. The last words belonged to her and she wasn’t afraid to tell him things that he didn’t necessarily want to hear .
My friend was in an abusive relationship for 5 years, she was married to the guy. She managed to free herself from that a**hole about a year ago, but he keeps stalking her from time to time even though there is a restraining order against him. I know the situation from the real life. And what Belle and Rumple had is nowhere near what I know from the real life and Rumple is nowhere near my friend’s ex.
But in fact I get where you are coming from and I get that your experience might have been different.

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I forgot that Jefferson has the tea set from Wonderland. I keep forgetting about Jefferson’s house and the things he has stuffed there.
So it’s probably one of Rumple’s tea sets. In the scene with Belle in the dungeon there is a tea set even though Rumple destroyed some of it earlier.

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I don’t agree that people here forget about the bad things Rumple has done. It’s obvious to everyone, whether Rumple’s fan or not, that he did kill, kidnap, hurt others etc. Rumple’s fans look at the character from a slightly different perspective, I think. To try to understand instead of judging and passing a sentence. To consider the circumstances that made him who he is instead of simply stating that he is evil. To look into the possible ways of his redemption instead of condemning him and denying him this right. The approach is slightly different here, but that doesn’t mean that his bad deeds are forgotten.
It is true that there are many Rumple’s fans here. But that’s the way it is. That’s the way this forum is like. So the person who doesn’t like Rumple has two choices: either accept the fact that in their opinions about Rumple they will probably be in minority or do not discuss him here. There is no third way.
I have never seen Rumple and Belle’s relationship as abusive. There was only one incident where they had an argument. And it wasn’t an ordinary argument. Rumple thought Belle was a traitor who worked with the Queen to make him vulnerable. At that moment he felt hurt, betrayed, probably felt that she pretended that she cared for him to earn his trust. He just lost it. But when he cooled off a bit he came back and didn’t touch her. He just told her to leave.
That relationship doesn’t show signs of abuse to me. There is no fear on her part, Rumple doesn’t hit, rape, torture, humiliate or threaten her. And most importantly I have never heard about an abusive husband/boyfriend who would willingly let his victim leave.

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