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What if the bear is Arthur? Rain in the initial reactions feedback for Dreamcatcher mentions the meaning behind Arthur’s name is Bear – (a bit of Googling found: the name Arthur (Artorius) could be derived from the Celtic elements “artos” = bear combined with “viros” = man and “orrigos” = king). Which would make King Arthur the bear man king, and if you link it to Brave it could possibly make him Mor’du and Camelot the broken kingdom would be the kingdom that fell to ruins because Mor’du’s selfishness/greediness
[adrotate group="5"]I swear to god….OUAT! Merlin better have a talking Owl. That is literally all I’m asking for S5 right now
OMG yes!! And he better be named Archimedes
Maybe William Shatner will be Merlin?
that would be epic! #shatnerismerlin
A lot of people noticed that the flashback with Isaac happened to take place in 1966, and the Apprentice mentioned how the last Author had just passed away. Walt Disney, who was teased as an Author back in “Best Laid Plans”, just so happened to die in 1966. Think they were purposely implying that Walt Disney was that Author?
100 cookies for me! I so called it back during Best Laid Plans! Woot! Woot!
love the nod back to Uncle Walt 🙂
I have my own theory for what happened. I think they were planning a bigger arc for Will for the 2nd half of the Season, but they ran into a snag in regards to Emma Rigby’s availability, since Anastasia/Red Queen would likely have to play a large role in it. Emma Rigby was busy filming a movie during the same time 4B was filmed. Therefore, they weren’t able to follow through on that plan, and are now stalling. In one of the hot seats back in December, Adam and Eddy mentioned how we were going to get “much more Will” in the 2nd half of the Season. In another hot seat they did in October, they said they were “going to try” getting Emma Rigby, when asked if we will see her this Season. From what we’ve been able tell based on spoilers, it doesn’t look like that is happening.
100 cookies to @MatthewPaul!! A&E have confirmed the inability to obtain Emma Rigby/Anastasia pushed the storyline to S5
Here’s a crack theory on the author. The actor who plays the Author/Isaac said in a tweet he couldn’t give out the character’s last name because it would be too big of a spoiler. The only place that we’ve ever seen or heard the last name de Vil is on the front plate of the car which belonged to the author not Cruella. They never said Cruella’s and her mother’s the last name’s in the epidode “Sympathy for the de Vil” and if you think about it the only person you really feel sorry for in the episode is the Author. The Author it seems fell in love with Cruella, and she in her sick way, probably felt the same – keeping the car, the jewels & his last name, but hating him for taking away her ability to kill (remember there’s a very fine line between love & hate) but still showing love by using his last name. IF the author is Isaac de Vil – it would make him the “DeVil” tampering with fate versus the Sorcerer (“God”) and if you add Emma (“Savior”) plus Lily (“AntiSavior”) – you have an EPIC battle in the making.
I said this back when this was a spoiler, but I’ll say it again. I do genuinely believe that they planned on this Marian=Zelena plot twist since the end of Season 3. Many fans thought just the way Zelena “died” last Season was off, and plenty did suspect Marian not being the real Marian even back then. If they wanted Zelena dead for good, why not just have Rumple crush her heart like he typically does to his other victims? I think the writers still wanted more to do with the character, and didn’t want to just end things there and then. Does that mean the execution wasn’t sloppy? Certainly not the case. It’s clear they had this Marian returning subplot as merely an obstacle for Outlaw Queen, but they always needed a way out. I’d rather not have this thread turn into yet another moral debate concerning Outlaw Queen, for the record.
AMEN!
Here are some other questions and potential plot holes to consider about dark one mythology. Rumple said he’d used magic back in SB to keep his blood from thickening. How long has this affliction of coagulating blood been affecting him? Is this a medical condition that affected him in the Enchanted Forest? Have previous dark ones also faced this condition, and if so, why didn’t Zoso let nature take its course and let his thick blood kill him, rather than tricking Rumple into being the next dark one? And if the thickening of the blood is something that dark ones frequently experience, then why didn’t Rumple need the magic potion in SB before there was magic? Are we to believe that Rumple had brought over a huge reserve of magic potion with him in the first curse to last him 28 years? Remember, magic couldn’t be created in ALWM, but magical objects could be used.
In fairytales, the heart rules emotions, morals, etc., therefore, part of the DO curse is the hardening of the heart – so the DO becomes pure evil. What i believe Rumple meant was that as the DO, he could still have feelings – it is this that Belle saw through in EF – she could see/sense that he wasn’t pure evil. If Rumple would have let the full effects of the DO curse fill his veins, he would not have cared about finding Bae, and all the actions/steps he took to ensure all fell into place (i.e. DC1, Emma/savior, etc.) wouldn’t have mattered and/or taken place. Also, he would never have fallen in love with Belle – his true love (B&B). During DC1 – all the characters were in a state of limbo (they didn’t age, lived basically in the movie Groundhog Day every day, etc.) so his heart was exactly in the state it found itself on the day the DC1 was placed.
Uh, question. Why did Rumple need the potion in the past?
Firstly, my thought is that Rumple, being Rumple, always played the game 10 steps ahead and as the had “the sight” knew that he would need the potion in the future … he was just trying to get his ducks in a row and have the potion in his vault. Secondly, he probably was also testing Robin, again, putting his ducks in a row, he would know how Robin ticks so he could manuplate him later. Thirdly, at this point, we may not be sure if Rumple was doing it for reasons 1 and/or 2 or if he was being manipulated by the Author in order to make a better story; that is we may not really know if what are characters do in the EF is driven by their own motivations or by the Author.
This isn’t necessarily a theory so much as a literary look at what Adam and Eddy might be getting at with Emma Swan and Rumplestiltskin. For the purposes of this, I am taking @Slurpeez108 theory (found HERE) as my touchstone for Rumple’s actual plan. Instead of putting forth my own theory (until the very end), I am looking what is happening between Rumple and Emma from a critical literary standpoint, using the most influential work of the Western (at the very least) world: The Bible. In an interview before S4A began, Eddy Kitsis said that Rumple was “the devil himself.” Obviously this riled up fans because our connotation of the devil is pure evil and no one wants to think of Rumple (love him, hate him, be indifferent to him) as just straight up pure evil without any nuances because it seems antithetical to how the show presents their villains. But looking back from where we stand now, I think Eddy might have been slyly giving a clue. There is another aspect to the Devil: temptation. The Satanic figure is the physical manifestation of temptation: the snake in the Garden, the devil on your shoulder whispering in your ear that you should do a thing–even though you know you should not do a thing. It can be temptation for love, for money, for power, for sex, for…chocolate. We readily associate the devil with the concept of temptation. Well, so did the Bible. If Rumple’s archetype is “devil” (and by this we can read temptation instead of a Satan like figure) then what does that make Emma Swan? Obviously her archetype has long been “Savior.” Without pushing a religious agenda, here in the Western world our minds instantly jump to one savior in particular because of the religious influences the Church has had over our little corner of the globe: Jesus Christ. Interestingly enough, the idea of Temptation vs Savior has a reference point in the Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke—John is the red headed step child of the 4.)
Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:
“‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’”</p>Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”</p> Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only. Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.
Matthew 4:1-11 The Temptation of Jesus Christ is a three fold temptation by the devil, a disembodied voice who is tempting Christ into giving in to his powers. Does this sound familiar (hint: yes). I also think the writers and promo department set this up in their promo for the beginning of S4B
“Three ways to corrupt a hero. Three way to tarnish a savior.” Now the Devil in the Bible tempts Jesus with food, power, ect. I don’t think Rumple will tempt Emma necessarily with those specific things or even necessarily with three things, but rather he’s trying to tempt her to give in to some sort of darkness, or at least open her heart to it so that Rumple can empty his darkness into her heart (as per Slurpeez’s excellent theory), by messing with those she loves. Putting SB in danger? Emma reacts by trying to save them because “Savior.” Trying to rewrite the heroes (read: her parents) story? Emma reacts by trying to save them because “Savior.” Potentially messing with Hook or Henry? Emma reacts by trying to save them because “Savior.” So how does the story play out? Well…(spoiler alert) Jesus died and rises again. But in doing so, he conquers death and the devil (he actually went down to Hell for a few days and then busted out…) and the theological result for believers is that death (and the devil) has no hold over believers due to Christ. The Devil seems to win for a short time (Rumple will seem to win by emptying his darkness into Emma’s own heart) but the true love power of the Savior (Jesus/Emma) will ultimately defeat the darkness and the Devil (Rumple). Let’s end this whole shebang with a bit of theorizing. Many of us have long suspected that Emma Swan might actually die–it’s how heroes and saviors roll, just as Buffy Summers. But what if, with this Author plot going on concurrently, instead of dying Emma is corrupted and erased from history. Spoilers indicate an AU for the finale and Emma seems curiously absent from any shots we’ve gotten so far. Is she trapped in the book, or did the Devil temporarily claim victory just like he did when Christ died for three days Now somehow Emma comes back. Henry writes her back into the story, provided that Henry finds the magical quill or is “chosen” to be the next Author. That’s plausible and (again, as per Slurpeez) it would also mean that Henry really was the undoing of Rumple because Emma’s victory means Rumple’s downfall, just like Christ’s victory ended the devil’s victory. In doing so, Emma conquers “death” and the Devil (Rumple) and is reborn anew as an even more powerful Savior. In doing so, Rumple’s darkness goes back into his heart, effectively killing him by season’s end. What we are left with, then, is a super powerful Savior who has really come into her own powers—say powerful enough to move realms a year from now when the show (potentially) ends with them all going back to the EF? Thoughts?
WOW …. proceeds to bow down in awe @Rumplesgirl’s awesomeness
IMPRESSIVE!! love love love it!!
@Crystal Princess i totally respect your opinion and your right to voice it, as i hope you respect mine to express and view a different aspect. I also see that OUAT/OUATW has broken barriers as to typical princesses, heroes and who plays them offerring more that other shows the opportunity for POC, cultural & ethnic backgrounds to play roles they usually do not protray (i.e. Ursula, Rapunzel, Lancelot, Poseidon, etc.). Neither you nor I are the casting directors, producers, writers, etc. and therefore, we cannot fully judge why this or that actor was ultimately given a role; to flatly assume it was racial based I believe is unfair. It is quite possible that the decision was made because they wanted adult Lily to more closely resemble Mal, while young Lily could have been played by a more wide net of actors. I truly don’t believe “race” was a factor nor that they are “whitewashing” the character. Let’s just agree to disagree 🙂
