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I have avoided this topic on the forum but I really don’t feel I can continue to remain quiet. I would like to start of with a basic fact – I am a latina (I also happen to be paler than Casper the ghost and blonde) and would like to clarify that it is a misassumption to generalize all latinos as being non-white and falling into 1 category. Hispanic countries just like the good old USA are home to many people of different races and ethnic backgrounds, not just one big lump sum. There are black, white, native american, asian, bi-racial, multi-racial etc. persons in Hispanic Counties. Generalizing that all latinos are olive skinned aka non-white persons with dark hair is just (forgive me) a tad ignorant. Being latino or hispanic is a more a cultural background not so much a race one especially due to all the different counties the term encompasses. A person of latin decent should be able to play any role just like any person or any other ethnicticity should be able to. For heaven sake, just look at Broadway where Lin-Manuel Miranda (a latino) plays Alexander Hamilton and Christopher Jackson (an African American) plays George Washington in the musical Hamilton. Let’s stop getting stuck on race and focus on if the person playing the role is doing the role justice. Particularly when in this case we haven’t even seen the actor’s protrayal of the role. Yes, the casting director should have taken into consideration that the young actor personally was hispanic, but nevertheless, does that totally negate the selection of Agnes Bruckner to be able to play the role? Let’s stop focusing on race and sterotypes, and focus more on abilities of an actor to bring life to the characters we all love on OUAT …. ok leaving my soapbox now 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]I posted this on another author thread, but, here’s my crack theory – all authors/recorders of history have the sight (ability to see the future) as part of their gift and they can see in advance several outcomes of each story, however, the character has to make the choice for his/her path. (I also think that the Sorcerer and his Apprentice also can see the future) . The last faithful author was Walt (aka Walt Disney) who as an author/recorder and during his time stories ended with “and they lived happily ever after”, and he then went on to record the next story. Also as he had the “sight”, he was able to provide to people in the land without magic the stories we know today. Using the timeline on the forum and Disney’s date of death (12/15/66), you can see how the stories we know started to change from that specific point forward – hence when the new/current Author took over and began to manipulate the stories.Using this theory all the stories we’ve been told in OUAT was a direct result of the Author’s (aka Peddler) manipulation up until the Evil Queen enacted the curse and created Storybrooke (if you look at a screen shot right before the Author is locked in the page he is writing about the Evil Queen). Both Rumple, the Sorcerer and the Apprentice having the sight knew that Emma, was the Savior, and through her the happy endings which this Author took away would be brought back and the stories could start to correct themselves. I believe that ultimately, the role of the author will go to Henry when he grows up as he has the heart of the truest believer.
here’s my crack theory – all authors/recorders of history have the sight (ability to see the future) as part of their gift and they can see in advance several outcomes of each story, however, the character has to make the choice for his/her path. (I also think that the Sorcerer and his Apprentice also can see the future) . The last faithful author was Walt (aka Walt Disney) who as an author/recorder and during his time stories ended with “and they lived happily ever after”, and he then went on to record the next story. Also as he had the “sight”, he was able to provide to people in the land without magic the stories we know today. Using the timeline on the forum and Disney’s date of death (12/15/66), you can see how the stories we know started to change from that specific point forward – hence when the new/current Author took over and began to manipulate the stories.Using this theory all the stories we’ve been told in OUAT was a direct result of the Author’s (aka Peddler) manipulation up until the Evil Queen enacted the curse and created Storybrooke (if you look at a screen shot right before the Author is locked in the page he is writing about the Evil Queen). Both Rumple, the Sorcerer and the Apprentice having the sight knew that Emma, was the Savior, and through her the happy endings which this Author took away would be brought back and the stories could start to correct themselves. I believe that ultimately, the role of the author will go to Henry when he grows up as he has the heart of the truest believer.
i’m pretty sure Belle’s mom is truly dead. OUAT at the end of the day is part of the Disney product line and while they have leeway on playing with fairytale characters’ plot lines they do not deviate from what is Disney cannon. In Beauty & the Beast, Maurice is a widower. In the original B&B tales, he is also a widower. Changing that probably isn’t going to happen. I think the point of the plot line point was Belle could have eventually found out the truth without having to have ventured to see the Rock Trolls, and her memory loss was simply PTSD. The flashback tie in was that it brought about how Rumple was called into play by Maurice in the Ogre Wars
There was a White King before Will married Ana. It was Ana’s first husband, the man she left Will for and how she became Queen.MAYBE…. Lily is his daughter, the daughter he had with his first wife (didn’t he have a wife before Anastasia?) How could that work out? Timeline issues are timelines issues. Also wasn’t there a picture of young Emma with Snow Queen and Lily and Snow Queen was trying to get Emma to use magic…or something
Anastasia married the RED King and thus became the Red Queen and their/her reign was one of harshness. At the end of OUATW, when she and Will married, they became the White King and Queen of Wonderland – this was to contrast the previous reign by having them rule with truth and justice
If the King once had a fling with the Ice Queen…that could have made Elsa, thus making her still the rightful heir to the throne as well as a half sister to Anna! It’d explain Elsa’s blonde hair, paler skin tone, as well as the ice powers.
Possibly, but A) why would the Queen accept her husband’s illegitimate child from an affair as her daughter to raise and be the future heir of the kingdom; B) only legitimate children can inherit the throne without a decree, act of parliament and/or depending on the time period some religious dispensation, and C) Disney would never permit adultery to be part of Frozen canon – especially with the product been so new and the current cash cow. The familial connection is definitely there between the Snow Queen and Elsa but not in a tawdry way.
BUT, unlike others have said, she is the sister of the King not the Queen. In the movie Frozen, it is the King who rushes to the book saying he knows exactly what to do when Elsa accidentally hits Anna with ice magic – almost as if he had to deal with it before. Also, throughout the movie, it is the father (aka King) who is the harshest to Elsa afterwards, and rather than teaching her how to cope is almost abusive in his isolation of her
That does make a lot of sense. The Father is more active in the movie than the mother. My only issue is that in ONCE, the opening scene in 401, it’s the Mother who taking charge and making plans, as if she was the one who knew what had to be done and had some burden to get off her chest–i.e, Elsa being related to the Snow Queen
That scene to me still shows how the Dad wants to hide the truth. I going to guess that what the mother wanted to write was that Elsa wasn’t alone (your Auntie has it too) and that there was hope for her , to seek out someone in EF that they (the parents) were trying to see (maybe Rumple?) not that she was adopted.
I’m pretty darn sure Ice Cream Lady is the original Snow Queen, And, here’s my “crack” theory on the relation between Elsa and the Snow Queen. As mentioned before, there’s probably no way Disney would alter cannon and make her parentage null and void by making her adopted and also marking her as both unwanted and an orphan — too much/too soon on an very much adored new story. Also, if she were adopted there is also no way she could inherit the throne, it would have to go to Anna as the true direct descendant of the King and Queen. The Aunt theory seems the most logical connection. BUT, unlike others have said, she is the sister of the King not the Queen. In the movie Frozen, it is the King who rushes to the book saying he knows exactly what to do when Elsa accidentally hits Anna with ice magic – almost as if he had to deal with it before. Also, throughout the movie, it is the father (aka King) who is the harshest to Elsa afterwards, and rather than teaching her how to cope is almost abusive in his isolation of her. My guess is that he had dealt with it before first hand from his sister with dire consequences (maybe pulling in some of the original Snow Queen tales here via OUAT flashback), and hoped it wouldn’t be passed down. Also, if your child is born with “ice magic” wouldn’t you try to teach and love for positive results, instead of fear and hide? unless, you had already witness something terrible before.
@ Hook’s Girl: OMG – me too! I had the VHS, the soundtrack, the book, and later on the DVD. Recently I got the iTunes digital version 🙂
