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It’s a new character, none of the regular guest stars they already have cast, and a character for one episode. Calm down, that’s not Elizabeth Mitchell. And I highly doubt they would add a third sister into the picture of Frozen, that would completely change the sister dynamic between Elsa and Anna. Not to mention: why should such a sister show up this late in the story arc for some fancy ball fairy flashback?
Three sisters going to a fancy ball… maybe the dumb spoiler fairies thought of Cinderella there, aside that they didn’t go the ball together, were only stepsisters and only Cinderella was blonde. Not to mention Anastasia was the younger of the two stepsister, though turned blonde in the Once-ivers, and became Queen in Wonderland… Or, oh, maybe they want to hint she’s coming. I hope not. Whatever.
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I think the heart has a definite effect on someone….like Regina said, you feel but not as intensely. BUT, the difference with Regina and everyone else is….as Snow White so beautifully put it, Regina feels things with not just her heart, but with her entire soul and being. Which is more than likely how she was able to fall in love so fast with Robin Hood, and is very mama bear protective of her kids(Henry and S3 Snow) and family.
You make your heart extra resilient by turning into a cold fury, going after someone who made a mistake as child for revenge for years, enjoying to make people suffer, killing numerous people, trying to kill the child and all of her family, killing you own father, trying to kill you own mother, destroy whole worlds. After doing all these horrible things, which was probably stress- and painful for you, your ability to love has spread through your entire soul and being, because your dark heart is now too dark to contain any love, or to keep it locked up, but the love had to go somewhere, so it spread all over you, so to speak. Thus now you are able to give true, unconditional, curses breaking love even if the metaphysical center of love, your heart, is not inside of you. I am really wondering, because to me that looks like the message this show is giving. Be as bad as you can and you will discover the truest love and a happy ending, because love conquers all. I find that some screwed up message.
What the writers are conveying to its audience, is that love is the only power that can transform the darkness inside their hearts. LOVE.
Love is positive and available to everyone. NO ONE IS EXCLUDED
As I see it, when talking about love as the only power being able to transform a dark heart, then I think it takes a love coming from within you, not caring at all, not questioning if anyone else loves or will love you, a deep respect to life, to all life, not just of your own and that of your (blood) family, opening up one’s heart and mind to understanding and empathy.
That love coming from with in you might be inspired and supported by love other people have and show you, but the true work is on you. They can’t undo your dark heart for you, no matter how much or little love they show to you, they have shown, it is up to you.
No, no one is excluded by some power, law whatever, but neither is it guaranteed to anyone, that they will experience that love. It’s up to each on our own to build it, to find, to open up to it. It’s not up to the people around us, given they can make it easier or harder, it something we only can do ourselves.
Love is the power that could transfer the darkness, if the people with dark hearts let it happen.
I think that the show is sending the message — and I hope it’s not intentional — that love conquers all. Not just impediments to healthy relationships, but all: sensible judgement, accountability, justice…
It does look like that to me.
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The power of Rumple is based on magic, knowledge and experience. Maybe in knowledge Belle might be able to compete a bit with him, thanks to reading a lot, but not in magic and experience. Regina has more magic abilities than Robin, but concerning knowledge and life experience those two are IMO pretty much equal, I would even say in some ways Robin might be more grown up than Regina, he has a greater mental balance. Power imbalance might express how respect is shown (or not) and what consequences action have, but that is the result of power imbalance not what it is about.
I don’t care much if Rumple is isolating Belle, if she’s doing so herself, or the towns people staying away from them, it’s a mix of all of it IMO. The point is she is rather isolated as character and merely there as Rumpel’s love and occasionally useful for side stories with other characters. It’s rather convenient to use her and not introduce just another character for a few minutes on the show. They don’t bother much to show Belle not rather fixated on Rumple. People complain there is not enough Belle, and though guess some are more eager to see more cuddling with Rumple, some want to see Belle as a character able to stand on her own and not as an enabler, appendix to Rumple. I never shared any fluffy feelings for RumBelle, because I find the story “The Beauty and the Beast” quite problematic in pretty much any version I’ve seen or read so far, and never was charmed by the animated Disney movie, but in season 1 and 2 it didn’t bother me much. Now during season 3 that relationship has increasingly become repellent to me.
After all they work with fairy tales, and while I doubt that true love is a concept they put much merit into, I am quite sure they are aware, a lot of people and particular many in the audience do, not just has some idea but as an ideal of how good romance should be. Putting so many alleged, prophesiedor proven true love couples into one place makes it easily look as something casual, nothing special. Funny enough I would be the first to agree, true love is not special in the sense of something only a few could find, but maybe OUaT has an inflation problem. True love is something that looks kinda cheap to come by by now.
RumBelle is to me just the worst example for this show more or less labeling relationships as true love that are highly problematic and not just dramatically stressed. Okay, to them true love is the greatest magic at all, but I think exactly that ideal stands in the way of finding, or building a true love relationship on the show by now.
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Don’t get me started about Regina and true love, be it with Henry as a true motherly love or with Robin as romance, I have plenty of problems with her being able to feel true love at all at this point. I know, there are those who see such a great redemption story in the past 2 seasons, but I very much disagree with that, she lacks understanding and empathy and still is too much about her own happiness. But be calm, the writers seem more to agree with redemption already happening. But this is not so much about that.
I don’t see much of a problem with Regina and Robin getting fast into it – but it has all more the feeling of infatuation and physical attraction than any touch of a deeper love growing. It’s not a lack of chemistry, it’s a lack of profundity. Other things at the moment are more speculations and assumptions on the rather little we have about some things. I don’t know what Robin knew or not knew about Regina, but that is maybe a problem, that we don’t know that much about it, it is awkwardly ambiguous. Many assume he knew enough to make it questionable, that he could develop anything more for Regina than maybe some hots. And it looks to many even more questionable now after we know that Regina was about to execute Marian. Maybe I would feel differently if they hadn’t written that fireside scene so ignorant flirty and sexy. Or maybe it’s because Robin comes across more as some bon vivant than as responsible outlaw and rebel. I don’t know, but at the moment I have a huge problem to see them as happy end true love/soul mates at all, and they would have to do a great deal different to convince me otherwise.
My problem is not that even someone as evil as Regina couldn’t be able to change and get some sort of redemption (I loved Xena, if you doubt that I can see such a thing happen), but how they are writing it. Doing a bit of good, without an understanding and acknowledging how much suffer she has caused, is for me no redemption arc, it’s a cheap way out to make your lead somehow good. If I were EvilRegal I would be mad at the writers for letting Regina so easy of the hook, make her appear more as a lunatic who miraculously came to senses, or comes to them in between, than a person truly growing and working on doing things different.
It is telling that they came up with the pixie dust nonsense for Regina, of all people. Seems they can’t imagine, that a person truly can change and because of those changes earn a happy ending, nope, they had to put fate into place, just in case anyone could doubt Regina could overcome all obstacles including her own doubts and inadequacies. Poor Regina, they don’t trust her to be able to find love on her own, and it shows on the show. Maybe because in Fairy Tales only the good guys or are meant to get a happy ending, everyone else at best is entitled to a tragic one? It takes magic to overcome or trick this rather basic rule of fairy tales.
Interesting how Leopold and Regina was just discussed here. There is nothing right about the marriage of Leopold and Regina. Yes, it was pretty much the way marriages have been made, particular among ruling people, elite, royals, it was a union for economical reasons, politics, diplomacy and reproduction but had very little to do with romance and true love. In some parts of the world this hasn’t changed that much yet. Unless freely agreed to it by everyone involved (and most importantly bride and groom) it goes against human rights as declared by the UN (Article 16). Regina would have had any right to walk away from it , regardless how polite Leopold probably was. Didn’t give Regina the right to kill him though.
But that marriage as it was shown is one of the least problematic on the show in terms of what is problematic with the depiction of romance on the this show. It was not a romances and no one ever doubted that it wasn’t on the show (well, Snow as kid probably didn’t quite understood what was going on though). It was no happy love ending, it was wrong and forced, the show didn’t leave any doubts about that. And Leopold paid a very high price for his ignorance.
How they handled Graham and Regina though is another matter. Not that the show leaves that much doubt to me, that whatever one wants to call their relationship, Graham had no free will in it, he couldn’t consent. Or maybe I should be more precise for the the sake of ignorance of the writers and parts of the audience, maybe Graham did consent, but he was only a fantasy identity created by the curse of Regina’s doing, the Huntsman hardly has consented to be Regina’s toyboy. Not just that the Evil Queen could have easily crushed his heart, having his heart meant she could manipulate him into doing her biding like a puppeteer. The writers have a problem calling it rape, I don’t, but in this case it is more of a problem of what the writers say in interviews than what is shown on screen, because there is no sympathy for Regina fooling around with Graham, it’s shown rather casual and as boring, and in the end Regina kills Graham.
The problem of the show is not so much that many of the loves and relationship shown have eventually dark sides, it is if they acknowledge that they have, that they are problematic to some or degree or more. It’s muddy particular when looking at the core characters and their romances.
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Ignoring for a moment a bit what has been said so far, late to join the convo here, sorry. And warning, it’s a lot of thoughts and I am not even done yet (but guessed better start posting now before more days and discussions go by)
Escapism or grounded in the real world? You can’t decently escape unless you can identify with characters and/or story, and a character can be someone you would wish to be like or someone who is in many ways like you are but doing things better (most of the time). Be it one or the other, characters have a connection to us as we are in the real world. Furthermore even if a show is meant as escapism it reflects on the real world and its issues, if we like that or not, if we are aware of it or not. It doesn’t matter if an audience wants to take a fictional show as something reflecting on their reality, it always does anyway, questioning or upholding believes and views and societal images. And we never can watch or read fiction without our very own bias, based on our believes and experiences.
I think the point is not if there could be perfect relationships (what would that be anyway?), we could easily agree that there are not, not in real world and probably even less in fictional worlds. In fiction everything perfect is uninteresting, because what is there then to write about other than a rather boring description of everyday bliss? I mean, how many novels, poems, TV shows, movies do you know telling about a perfect, or even a nearly perfect relationship/romance/marriage as the focus of the story? If anything you might get that as background of a character, mentioned but not that much shown. There is just no good story seen in it. And particular if it comes to moving pictures, to movie and TV, it is about getting action, movement, so the chase is the thrill not the capture, and even less what comes after the capture. We have tons of romantic chase stories, and some dramatic couple and marriage crisis ones, but barely any about a happy marriage. (If you want to read more about that I recommend a book by Jeanine Basinger “I Do and I Don’t: A History of Marriage in the Movies”, published in 2013; I didn’t read the book myself yet but followed an online course based on it by Jeanine Basinger, it was really interesting)
Relationships are work in progress from the moment on people meet first time, build a relationship, enjoy and maintain it, til they part or death does part them (and even we part we still have a sort of a relationship with people, the character changes). This goes for every relationship, romance as much as best friends and even for parents and children and siblings. Sometimes the build up is rather fast, happening in seconds or minutes, sometimes it takes time. To use a bit of a trivial picture: setting up a tent can be done quick, furnishing for a longer stay will take longer and never might be really finished, and living in it is an ongoing challenge.
I don’t have much of a problem with what is called love on first sight, though wouldn’t quite use the term love and call it attraction, interest, excitement. Research supports that first impressions are important, that in the first seconds of meeting we decide pretty much about sympathy, and that first impressions hardly change. And just recently have read about a study doing eye-tracking, and it seems that the first looks might be able to tell if someone is interested more in a romantic way or mostly attracted physically. The study is quite new and not sure how good it will uphold if looked at it closer and trying to reproduce it, but sounds interesting.
I have more of a problem with the concept of true love in general, and with love on first sight as a part of it, but I have discussed it before. In short: I don’t believe that there is for a person one special person in this world who they are meant to be together with. There is no book of doom, where it is cast in stone who should be with who, so no pixie dust or seer would be able to tell that. If anything, if thinking inside fantasies, pixie dust might be able to tell in a magical way if there is enough of a compatibility to be expected, so that these two eventually if working on it might become a love couple, but nothing is determined.
Now I had not much of a problem with how karmic love was brought up and shown in Xena, but that was never simply a love meant to be and sure not at all costs, it was that those two souls felt drawn to each other and had a deep going understanding of each other regardless in what bodies they were and what form their relationship would develop to be, but they still always had to work for a relationship. Xena had some of the best relationship moments I have ever seen in any fantasy show or movie going far beyond trivial romance (well aside Hercules: The legendary Journeys, same team, Xena was a spin-off of it, but they had less karmic love as theme).
But not even true love concept is what makes me feel uneasy, although what they make of it on the show is a part of it.
Happy ending true love is seen as something that good people get, the hero after his quest, the prince after proving he will be a good king, and the princess for being behaved, diligent, brave, caring and friendly. While in real life it doesn’t matter if you’re a good person or the most horrifying mass murderer, you might find love or not, in fantasy in fairy tales it does matter. Darth Vader lost his true love and Padme died of broken heart, and only after Darth Vader paid for his badness by sacrificing himself for his son and the good cause, he was allowed to show up again as Anakin in ethereal form, giving a hint of a loving and caring father, but he was not reunited with Padme – and Star Wars is the template for modern fairy tales.
A look at romances we have or had on the show to hopefully get a bit closer to what makes me feel more and more uneasy with the show.
Snow and Charming are my smallest headaches. Their love has signs of unhealthy obsession and I wouldn’t want to be their child, grown up or baby (if the sharing heart thing hadn’t worked Snow would have killed herself and her unborn child), but I give them a bit the benefit of young parents, and the problem can be fixed quite well with a few lines here and there, it is not that fundamental.
I have more of a problem with Snow being made by now into a boring, uptight housewife by the writers though they started out different in season 1. She is not the only one increasingly isolated to a degree in her love relationship. Not talking interacting with people, she does, but she is rather reduced to family member. It’s not unrealistic, by far not, but still sad to see. It might change though, Ginnifer was a trooper working as she did, and still is, her pregnancy likely limited her appearance, and now they might be able to do a few different things (not more screentime but different stories) But dearly missing the connection Snow had with Red. That friendship was so important in many ways and IMO one of the lasting highlights of season 1 and still worked in 2A. It was a huge mistake in the overall balance of relationships on the show to neglect it the way they did.
More critical though is how much Belle is isolated, mostly has been despite a few moments here and there, namely with Grumpy, Red, Ariel and Mulan. Belle so needs connections outside of Rumple’s story. Back in the Enchanted Forest Rumple seemed to have kept her rather isolated, though as much he preferred to be isolated himself. But Belle was not really free to go unless Rumple was willing to let her go freely. I’s not just a problem of giving Belle more screentime, it’s about giving her continuing connections on her own with other people, and more importantly not somewhere in the past but in the here and now of Storybrooke. Right, the writers might just focus on Rumple and Belle, just that much space for stories to tell in 22 episodes, and maybe somewhere in their headcanon tons of things ahve happened, off the screen, but we don’t get to see it, thus we can at best speculate, we don’t know. Belle might have had some time with others or not, the focus is to show her and Rumple and it makes her look rather isolated from everybody else.
But the biggest problem in the whole relationship between Rumple and Belle: The immense power imbalance. Right, hard not to have a power imbalance when it comes to the Dark One, but, knowing that many didn’t like it all, the relationship between Cora and Rumple was more healthy and adult, they had a power balance, and though Cora first had to learn magic from Rumple, it felt from the beginning more even. Those two nearly were equals, using magic and being equally ruthless in pursuing their goals. Belle is the nice naive bookworm believing she can change the world with her puppy eyes, with true love, a sweet kid. It’s a nice idea, big idealism, but an idea I find displaced and hardly ever working, and it’s not a good ground for an adult love relationship. And Rumple is no young naive prince, he is a man with plenty of experience. What at the moment I see happening on the show is more Rumple corrupting Belle than Belle succeeding in changing Rumple permanently (or even for a longer time) to the better. She has become an enabler, and one unhealthy dependent on her love, and it fits that she still has something childish in her behavior and appearance (she was more grown up as Lacey), and Rumple treats her bit like a child as well. Rumple and Belle are no grown up relationship. It somewhat reminds me of Lolita, and that is no good thing.
Compared to that it’s the lesser problem, that Belle is not questioning Rumple’s bad doings as pressing anymore as she did at first, although a lot of people seem to have the bigger issue with that, which reminds a bit of Walter and Skyler White from Breaking Bad (later seasons). Belle is like a mobster bride. I wouldn’t have much of a problem with that if the writers would go full way with it, let Belle as an adult woman be corrupted by the charm of a magical powerful man, but I don’t see them going there. Difference to RumBelle: Skyler White at first didn’t know what was going on, then wanted to divorce her husband (and became because of that a hated character) and then supported him. But Belle is despite that she told Neal, that she loves the dark sides too, still more written as if believing that she can kinda tame the Dark One through her huge love. She still is more a dreamy, sweet kid in a grown up woman’s body.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not insisting on Rumple and Belle breaking up, they still could make something of even this relationship, but they have to make Belle a grown-up and more equal in power to make it less problematic. Or call it out for what it is at the moment.
The problem is not so much that relationships on OUaT might lean more to the icky side, I could take gritty, dark, more adult versions of fairy tales quite well, but that they are not called out on the show for being problematic. RumBelle is a true love’s couple and Belle still more shown as a sweetheart. It gives me the creeps, I would never see this couple as it is at the moment as an example for a good true love, as a great rolemodel – but when I look into the fandom that is what is happening, people seeing it as good example of true love. It worries me even if particular younger women, teenager girls might do that, wrongly mixing it with the fluffy romantic version of The Beauty and Beast in its animated Disney version.
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@PriceofMagic Appriciate it.
Some interesting couples named.
Agree that Mulan most likely will be the one they might explore in a queer ship if any time soon, she is after all already introduced as queer character.
Gender swapped Shang is an obvious thing, and I faintly even remember something in the myth about a female character, not Shang but another, but just looking at the movie we know they fall for each other after a bumpy start. Thinking of a Xena story arc I can see another version, the “true” Shang as general of an army being only a decoy by now, mortally wounded by a poisoned arrow and nearly dead, but one of his concubines, or let it be his only daughter took over to lead the army in his name.
other possibilities with Mulan:
Red – they share a strong sense of loyalty, of defining family not through blood but at least as much by friendship, their different nature, one more extravert the other intro is for writing a nice ground for little comedy, while at the same time it means that they might be able to give the other something to grow.
Tinkerbell – aside that we are left to wonder if by now the Fairies are overthinking their strict rule and view, no love/romance for fairies, and Tinkerbell got her fairy skill back, didn’t she, agree Mulan and her could find common ground on some of their experiences. And though Tink might have learned a lot in her years in Neverland, lost some of her hothead trait, she might now need someone and a task to lighten up. Could be she tries to play Cubid for Mulan but turns out she is the lucky one herself.
(and noting that Belle has been shown friendly with some supporting female characters but seems to have become rather isolated lately, something not unrealistic with intense relationship, but something to discuss in another thread)
Hercules and Phil – interesting. I have only one small problem with it, the mentor -trainee relationship they have and with it some age difference. It would perfectly reflect on ideas the Greek philosophers had, but I am not so sure how well that would be taken in our modern times. Teacher – pupil, whatever gender, comes with problems of dependency.
Hercules and Archie – can’t help it but see Archie rolling his eyes at first, he is a patient guy, but Hercules might drive him mad for a moment – which of course as trope is a good start for a true love, the”first I can’t stand you but I am oddly drawn to you” trope or so, or opposites are meant for each other (psychological crap but still a common fictional trope)
Emma and Megara – sure could bond over a drink binge trying to forget their broken hearts.
A romance for Granny – would love that.
ideas I had just last night
Archie and Gus – could have been, but yeah, I know, they killed Gus off. Too bad.
Maleficent and Aurora’s mother -(yes, I know I had obviously a kind of morbid phase last night) I wouldn’t trust these show writers with such a delicate story, but there might be a less ignorant and more sensitive fan fiction writer for such a tragedy to write, because, yes, would be a tragedy. Thought of them falling for each other when they were young (and Maleficent a fairy), but the parents and the fairy leader Blue drove them apart, making it look like a betrayal to each (yes, look, I am ready to make Blue a shady fairy for that!). So love turned to hurt, and Maleficent became for a while obsessed with destroying her former love’s family and happiness any way she could. Right, typical broken heart woman turns fury trope, so really needs a good writer to make it good and not some trivial crap. Partially inspired by the recent Maleficent live action movie (more live actors, was there any scene not at least enhanced with CGI?)
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How nice of them to finally plan to bring more background on Emma. Little late, but we take what we get, do we. And they say see, not get to know, so we are actually going to see something? Well, they had cast a girl for that blink of an eye moment past season, and she seemed quite a good fit. So when they went through the casting process already might make sense to use her for more.
The one problem I have with the idea of a magical incident/accident in her past, something she did as kid hurting someone by it maybe, is that I recall A&E saying Emma couldn’t do magic outside of Storybrooke. But while writing it already have a possible fanwank, or should I say writerwank to explain it. If I remember right they said that in regards to Emma and Henry being in New York – and at that time there was no Storybrooke in our world, erased from all memory, while when Henry was born (remember those flickering lights, the Charmed effect as I called it for myself?) and all the time Emma grew up Storybrooke was in this world, a pocket of magic, infesting our world without magic… I’m free to hire by the way.
Whatever. Good if they do more background. People have ranted that Emma is too uptight and cold, frequently blaming JMo’s acting for it, but I found she did it very right. Maybe because I seem to have a neck for microexpressions (never though though I have) so saw plenty of emotions, and that her kind of self-control being reserved is familiar to me. Maybe it helps people to connect better with her when they see what happened in her childhood.
And, geee, these magazine writers, talking about childhood and they have nothing better to do than riling up the fandom with misplaced hopes with unfounded speculation. If Neal shows up in those flashbacks it would be “fanservice” of the utterly bad and ignorant kind. And if not (which I think) fans might cry foul (maybe not anymore, by now we all should have learned some lessons).
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I am out of here.
It makes no sense to discuss possibilities if you need prove before considering possibilities. If you say, only if there is prove that someone could be interested eventually in someone of the same gender, or at least hinted at, or has to be a person to be shown so far without any kind of attraction at all, then the choice is very limited to characters not yet on the show or someone as ignored for romance so far as Archie. That is convenient but unimaginative.
edit: What makes a character not yet shown to be attracted to anyone on the show, probably because hadn’t been on the show so far, that different from a character on the show? I assure you, people will argue the same way against every character from fairy tales and whatever myth, if there haven’t been at least hints or more likely already queer relationship stories for that character. It has to be then better a completely new, just for OUaT invented character to play nice and not be inconvenient.
And I am still waiting for an apology.
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I agree with Watcher. At the moment there is evidence from the past seasons to show that Ruby is heterosexual inclined, the writers could change that, but in doing so, they would need to show that.
What are we talking about here? If they bring Red and Mulan together, or Red with someone else, I expect them to do it on screen and not like they like to do other stuff off screen and just make a remark about it on screen. As well I would be miffed if the pull anything along pixie dust doomed soulmate nonsense. They have to show it, of course, what do you think I am meaning?
But different from you I don’t assume that it is any unlikely for Red to be something else than heterosexual, to me that is open, maybe, maybe not, everything is possible.
You still don’t get what heteronormativity is and means. It means, that the common image, the thing most people including most on here think first of is a heterosexual person, unless the person is shown from the start as not heterosexual, is shown being with a person of the same sex. There is everything wrong with that. It leads for example to that people like me, a bisexual person, are to most people invisible, because they demand prove in form of a relationship that I am attracted to people of the same gender (and the other one). Many don’t take my word for that, because no prove, no evidence, no lover to show, then it is not possible, not true. Yes, people deny me my identity, to be who I am, demanding prove. If you demand prove that a character is interested in someone of the same gender before ever assuming it could be possible, you do the same to a fictional character, deny the possbility of a different idenity than the one you think is most likely.
It’s your opinion, right, but it’s still heteronormative.
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Well gay characters or bi characters usually date someone of the same sex at some point, or mention it, whereas straight characters usually only date people of the opposite sex and if they turn out to be gay or lesbian, they show that instead of not doing it at all.
You say it, they usually date someone of the same sex at some point – could have already happened in the past but not shown (it’s not like we have seen every minute and thought of their lives), could happen now without being already obvious, or might happen some time in the future. The character might not even yet be sure about themselves (and neither the writers, shows are work in progress). You assume first based on common societal images, that a person who so far as not been shown to date someone of the same sex but people of the other sex (leaving it at two sexes and gender for the moment, to not makes things more complicate and confusing) to be interested only in the other sex. It’s an assumption, nothing more, and assumptions based on what commonly is represented in media, entertainment, reflecting and reinforcing common, heteronormative societal images of romance.
And have I been talking about Snow being bisexual or lesbian? No. I wouldn’t say it’s totally impossible, but at the moment she is married, and as they have shown on the show so far, quite happily, so have no reason to consider her for looking for a romance with anyone else than David at the moment, regardless what gender another person could have if she ever might get interest in looking at someone else. Would I though say that it is impossible that Snowings could be open for polyamory? Might not be the first couple to think of, but wouldn’T say it’s impossible or unlikely.
Zoophilia is a thing in real life, where people do have romantic attractions to animals. Fairies are just tiny humans, a dwarf is just a short, big eared human, and a werewolf is only a werewolf under the moon. What I meant was, how do we know Regina isn’t attacted to animals? Are we assuming she isn’t?
I know what zoophilia is, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to take it with some humour. But comparing any queer person or relationship with being attracted to animals is highly dismissive and offensive and a token of homophobia. You are aware that in laws sodomy was used as term for both, for homosexual behavior and sexual use of animals? And it was and is criminalized (although one could argue homosexual is still criminalized as well in many countries, can even mean death penalty). I know there are as well people defending zoophilia, but I consider a romantic and sexual relationship only as acceptable as long as there is consent possible between whoever is involved, and no, animals can’t give that consent.
Now that you have clarified your position, I can’t let it go anymore. I hope you see yourself that your alleged harmless comparison is harmful, and expect an apology.
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