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Evil Regals have a hand sign? 😮
First saw Lana Parrilla on JAG, in a quite interesting episode (7×15 Head to Toe), but admittely it took Once Upon a Time before her name finally stuck (I’m terrible with names).
I’m amazed by what Lana is doing with her voice, changing depending on which Regina we see.
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@Ser_Dragon wrote:
Those peoples are for the good part nothing but
1)Trolls. They want Charmings and Henry dead because they know saying that will hurt Charmings fan or Henry fans.
2)Evil Regal. They want Henry dead, because he don’t want live with Regina. Because he don’t want to be near her. Hello? She his a bit psycho mum for now guys? She wanted to harm his grandparents and his mother, guys?
3)Just plain stupid peoples who think killing almost all of the main cast would be a great idea really.
Imdb is full of peoples like that, too. Don’t mind them, be sure of yourself and let them on the side of the road. They are just passengers of your life and they get off at the next stop 😉
Trolls are another matter. There is a difference between Trolls, who only pretend to be fans and stir up things for the mere fun, and overly passionate fans, who might have a bit of tunnel vision and be misguided in some of their wishes and reactions. For the first I don’t show any mercy, but the second group deserves a different, more respectful reaction I think. Like Evil Regals, of whom a few are overreacting and maybe a tad single minded at times (but so are a few of some ships and other characters as well), but not in general, not in my experience. Generalization seldom is helpful.
And forums like on IMDb are breeding grounds for wannabe semi professional critics with mislead pseudo intellectual ambitions and for Trolls.
I don’t remember any show I got into a bit of fandom (and that where some over the past nearly 30 years) which hasn’t been discussed sometimes agressively, with a few over the top fans and overdramatic commentaries.
There always had been vocal fans of TV shows griping, but the forms they can express themselves have changed and it has become a lot more visible to the public eye. While 15, well, 20 years ago people still mostly were writing letters to the show makers, and then there were fanzines and TV and other magazines to publish eventually letters and commentaries, by now we all can spread views very visible and with ease in online forums, online commentaries and even quite directly address show makers, cast and crew via Twitter and to a certain degree Facebook. Twitter was created in March 2006, picking up more speed in 2007 – a show like Lost was by then in its 3rd season. Not saying that makes it better, it doesn’t, but people complaining, calling for changes and getting angry when a show doesn’t develop the way they want it to is not new, something every show maker has to expect to happen (particular the more successful the show is).
It is okay, that fans voice their views and opinions, but how some say it is not always okay, I agree.
@TheBee wrote:
I think one thing that upsets viewers is a growing impression that they are somehow irrelevant in the scheme of things far as the show goes. The show is not written for the writers. It’s not the writers who support it. One should never expect reward without merit.
Everyone’s a critic, now more than ever before 😉
No, no show is written for the writers, they write it for an audience, but they still do it in their own way, and they are themselves their first audience, the first people who have to like the story they’re telling. There are different ideas about what works, is good, where the story should go, the writers have different ideas themselves, the audience has different ideas, sometimes it comes together and sometimes it doesn’t. And we as audience are diverse, what some like others dislike. Sometimes a show is succesfull, and sometimes not, sometimes losing its charm in short time. We can’t expect the writers to do anything, we can voice our wishes and opinions, but should do so in a decent manner. I am certain the writers do listen and take into account what they hear. That doesn’t mean that they change stories immediately and forget all of their own ideas, but they adept sometimes.But sometimes what fans want most, is what would kill the show in short time. And then they lived happily ever after … comes always at the end of a story. Or it turns out they don’t live happily but have tons of drama and crisis, and then story goes on. 😉
Nevertheless I sometimes wonder how hard it seems for a few to let things go. No one is forced to watch a certain TV show.
@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:
The way I see it is that all this stuff has already happened. Not only as far as Adam and Eddy creating and writing the basic direction (didn’t they start over 10 years ago?) But also because it is set a couple years ago. In my mind, it has already happened and I’m watching what happened. I’m not concerned about changing the future because in my mind it is already the past.
One way to see it, sounds relaxed.
They started with the idea years ago, doesn’t mean the show was written out in all detail, or is written out in all detail, it’s work in progress. Unlike literature, where we get to read most of the times a finished product (although that is changing), or unlike most movies, TV shows are work in progress, changing more or less during time. Sometimes creators / writers have very clear ideas, sometimes they have just ideas about the beginning, some parts in the middle and about the end, but how they get there is something they develop on the go, and sometimes they have basic ideas of characters and their set-up but where the thing is going and how is something developed while the show is running. Particular in TV business one has to be able to adept and be flexible, seldom have the luxury to know exactly how many seasons, episodes a show will run, and actors might come and go. To me that is part of the special appeal of TV series.
edit: It’s right that they already have filmed other episodes when we react to one, or are preparing to film, writing, but they still can react in the long run, depending on where we are in the season in the season itself or the next season. Writers have like 5-8 days to write the script for an episode (as far as I know), though much of what will happen in the episode is sketched out before, but during filming smaller and even bigger changes are made. The all season story arc is developed at best beginning at the end of one season, during the hiatus, but scripts themselves are written shortly before filming (like Adam and Eddy just have written the final).
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Maybe the difference between OUAT and LOST (when it comes to some of the nasty obsessive tweets, etc) has to do with age group/maturity level of some of the fans, idk, but, I’ve never seen this kind of thing ever before….some of the post and tweets I’ve read are one word shy of stalking!
It’s out of hand and I would be a bit afraid if I were one of the writers or one of the cast members.Think even 14-years old or so know something about manners, about what is rude and offensive. And it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of the most nasty talks are coming from more or less adult people. There might be a difference of use of language though, but that is no age thing alone either. For example I find that expressions with the word “hate” are widely overused, I avoid to use it most of the time, because for me it still expresses a very strong kind of negative emotion, especially when said about people, yes even fictional characters. Can’t help it, most of the times I read it I find it aggressive and disproportionate. But people do have different ways of talking, communicating. Not all that sounds negative might be meant that negative.
Unfortunately those shouting the loudest and the longest and the most are those getting most attention in most situations, even if they are minority (minority or majority though doesn’t say if you’re right or wrong about something). But sometimes luckily those in charge are not always listening to them. It’s a question of filtering. I’ve worked long years in customer care and know how important it is to filter, otherwise it is easy to get a wrong bigger picture of things.
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In the episode before this one, 2×17 Welcome to Storybrooke you can see the date “Sunday October 23, 1983” on the newspaper someone (think it’s Geppetto) is reading at the diner, when Regina gets her first breakfast in the new world there (at minute 6:15) Headline of the newspaper fits to actual events of that time, including a picture of then President of the US, Ronald Reagan. 😎
edit: You beat me to it, Schmacky.
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Think Emma is Emma, or that is how I prefer it, a new character in the tales. No version, variation of some known fairy tale, fantasy or legendary character. That means no burden of expectations and background and big mythology coming with being a known character. Doesn’t exclude nods and references to known characters or tales while telling her story, but gives the writers all freedom for her character and story.
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Acting is one of the jobs where being obsessed with details can really pay out. 😉
Good catch, TimeSpacer.
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A number of good ideas to explain, why the magic beans grow faster in Storybrooke, I like all of them.
Think the writers should drop a line about it soon, to put our minds at easy. It doesn’t need to be a big story moment and explanation, unless they want to turn OUaT into science fiction that is. A line, short dialogue, and be done with it.
A tweet or podcast mumble won’t do it 😉
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
I just listened to the official ABC podcast for 2×18, in which Adam and Eddy clarified that since Greg came to SB expecting to find magic, he was telling the truth when he told Emma he didn’t see anything unusual. As adult Owen, Greg already believes in magic, so it’s not unusual for him when he sees Regina use magic. So, Emma’s lie-dectecting skills haven’t lost their edge since Greg was being truthful.
Thanks for the info. (finally bothered to hear the podcast myself)
Somehow I can live better with the simple insight, that her lie detection thing is an acquired skill, not superpower, a skill some people indeed have, but that skill is not infallible, it can be influenced by own expectations and feelings, can fail, and besides a good liar is a good liar. Not to mention there is no such thing as infallible lie detection, no human skill, no machine can do it, even mind readers would be wrong sometimes (surprise, people lie even to themselves and choose to believe it’s true). For crying out loud! Stupid pop- and pseudo-psychology, it’s an urban myth, one which admittedly sells quite well (in the very sense of selling, some people make good money selling lie detection things). Infallible lie detection is fiction not science. And for OUaT I say it wouldn’t do any good to the story or for Emma to make it some superpower, just let it be a human, fallible skill and work with that.
*headdesk* 🙄
So, okay, Greg didn’t lie, because he is a believer and seeing magic was nothing unusual. Yeah, right… even if he is a believer magic is something so rare in our world it would be still an unusual sight. I don’t mind good fanwanking, and good wacky explanations by writers, but this is wonky, or poor in my opinion.
Seriously, it makes more sense to me that Emma’s skill has lost some of its edge for the time being. There is so much going on in her live, that I expect some emotional turmoil going on behind her cool, all-understanding-and-forgiving zen hero behavior. I just don’t buy that she is all cool with things.
*takes a breath*
Emma did a lousy job in this interrogation of Greg. One open question, no digging deeper, all satisfied when it seemed like Greg has seen nothing which needed to be explained away, let him go for texting… no good job on Emma’s side. Even a bad liar could have gotten away, and I think Greg has learned to be a good liar. he used deflection technique quite well in this interrogation, changed the subject to him texting while driving – so obvious, but Emma fell for it.
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Emma: I think it’s time to give the hot cocoa and the foot massages a rest.
(seriously? no, come on, you’re just miffed that you’re not getting the same treatment)Emma: I know you think that she needs our help. But at the end of the day, she’s the only one who can help herself.
(sometimes that is true)Emma: I mean, what are you gonna tell her when she sees a giant or werewolf run past her down Main Street? Between Greg Mendell, our food-obsessed tourist, and now your fiancee, this town is turning into a theme park.
(but we all dream of living in Disney world! or for my part Future world. And who isn’t food-obsessed in times of social networks. or is it foot-obsessed?)Neal: She’s bringing bagels.
(simply irresistible. and food-obsessed)August: That’s my problem… hoping. Hoping that things still can work out. Hoping that I can find redemption for the mistakes I made. But maybe some things you just don’t come back from.
Mary Margret: No matter what you’ve done, you deserve a second chance.
August: That’s easy for you to say. You never had to worry about forgiveness, redemption. You’ve never needed it.
Mary Margret: August, it’s time to stop feeling sorry for yourself.
(okay, not a line, but memorable lines. and full of hope. but no food)August: A wood pile of failure.
(exactly how I feel many days right after workout)Regina (ton Mary Margret): If I were you, I’d try the fish special. It’s right up your alley… blackened sole.
(we love snarky Evil Queen, especially when she is talking about food. not at all food-obsessed)The Dragon: Waste your energy not on me but on your affliction.
(Dragon’s wise words to all fans, *coughs* tip; replenish energy with Apollo candy bars)The Dragon: It was this string your father used to animate you as a freshly carved puppet. In a way it first gave you life. It will serve as payment from your soul.
(wait, isn’t that what devils ask for? just a piece of your soul and then they always want to the rest too. like cake)Mother Superior: Because what he was is what he is.
(now that clears up everything. nearly as good as answer as 42)Tamara: Who carries something like that around with them anyway?
(yeah, you know, that is why some call it personal item, because you carry it around with you all the time, or so)The Dragon: For someone who spent his entire life running, you should be in better shape.
(Dragon’s common wisdom. tip: get stranded on mysterious tropical island)The Dragon: That is just a symptome. Only you can cure yourself.
(he has a point)Tamara: Whatever it is you have, you deserve your fate.
(well, that is straight)Regina: Monthly juice cleanse. Does wonders for the skin.
(thanks for the tip, forever)Regina: Scared little boys tend to have overactive imaginations.
(so, girls are either not scared or have no overactive imagination, right?)Regina: Contrary to what you might think, people can just disappear.
(make a wish)Mary Margaret: That wasn’t me
(that was originaly Rumple’s line but he was busy elsewhere so Mary Margret had to say it)Geppetto: I burdened him with a weight no child should have to bear, and I called it love.
(some epiphany)Tamara: I’ve been searching for someone like you for a very long time.
The Dragon: Ah. For Magic
Tamara: It’s rare in this world, so rare most would say it’s… fiction.
The Dragon. But not you
Tamara: Not me
(and not us. or maybe. or maybe not. what is real anyway?)August: You and your grandmother… you went back there.
(uh, wait, grandmother was there too?)Mary Margret: No. It can’t end this way. He was supposed to get a second chance.
(enough with making wishes already, can’t have it all)Neal: I know this isn’t what you signed up for.
Tamara:What I signed up for is you.
(all this assignment talk, sound so, so… so like work, conspiracy, secret club … where is the fun?)Emma (to Henry): I promise I will never lie to you again.
(Never make a promise you can’t keep)Mary Margret: I couldn’t take the guilt over what I did to Cora. I could barely breathe. I told her to end it, and she ripped out my heart. And when she took it out, my heart, David, it had started to blacken because of what I did.
David: Why didn’t you tell me?
Mary Margret: Because telling you makes things real, and I needed to believe it wasn’t, that I could find a way to stop it, that redemption was possible.
David. It is. Look at August
Mary Margret: But it cost him … everything.
(real, not real, that is the question)(by the way, we’re all soup.) 😆
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Okay, people are different, approaching things differently. But I for one get tired when seeing the third, fourth or more topic with the same name in the title looking like just another variation of the same thing. I start to ignore the new topics. Even more so when I nevertheless take a look and do find indeed much the same discussion that is already going on in another topic with a title coming very close. Concrete example at the moment is what is happening with Tamara: Frankly for the time being I have given up to follow that discussion. A negative examples was the discussion about Hook, that at some point got even out of hand because with the umpteenth new topic it was a tad too much obvious attention (seeking) and it annoyed people.
The more topics about the same thing, person the more likely you will lose my attention.
Interesting aspects, ideas, thoughts about character or theories get after short time buried as well the more topics are created, particular when there are plenty of only short discussions going on in every episode forum.
Of course it is as well a matter of knowing how to use options like to look for active topics or the newest (prefer that one because includes all spoiler topics different from active topics) or unread, but I think threads get lost easier this way than in longer discussions and topics. I for one when coming new to a forum or when catching up after a time of absence find it more comfortable to scroll through one topic then to go via reading all unread posts, or even more cumbersome, to click through all forums and then all topics eventually being pretty much about the same subject. When particular interested in a certain character find it even more comfortable to keep track via multi-page discussion in one single topic than having to look all through the forums and a bigger number of topics spread all over the place. Not everyone comes every day to the forum. And not everyone is just interested in what is the buzz right now, but might be in general more interested in certain characters or just now wants to read up about certain characters or theories.
Practical thing : Of course one can quote from another topic but it’s easier, particular for less computer geeky and BBcode experienced people and in a rush, to quote inside one topic.
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Scratching my head. Not sure what to make of this episode.
Well, it gave some answer about August. We finally have the answer to the big question: what happened to the wooden man after the curse was broken. Okay.
But the first thing August did when he felt and saw he was turning to wood again in Phuket (the moment Emma decided to stay in Storybrooke and the curse weakened) was running to a normal hospital to see normal doctors – he was really that dumb? Really? What did he expect? Even if it could have been just naive of him to think they would see that his leg was changing, what the heck should non magical people not believing in magic do about magic? August was not the smartest guy, right. Oh, yeah, nice, at least he could do the stunt to push a knife deep into his wooden leg without making it bleed (what any halfway decent normal doctor should find strange enough, was that some first year resident there?)
Okay, they needed something to set the story of Tamara up, her being all sneaky and up to something. So show August trying to first find a way to magically stop turning into wood right where he was, so having to find someone being able to do big time magic in a land without magic, and then let him run there into Tamara – and so we get the creepy factor and can cry all out loud: Conspiracy, we knew it!
Why care about plot holes, magic can explain everything away. Oh, wait, oops, wasn’t the word there is no magic in this world? But there is ths Dragon (a chinese Merlin?) and he can do it, create things which are not from this world. Ah, well, okay, it’s magic, so stop wondering.
Funny, had no problem though with this taser thingy of Tamara. No, I don’t find it strange that she could kill wooden August with that, after all he was no ordinary puppet of all dry wood, he was a walking and talking magical something. But we all have our pet peeves 😉
Tamara is a bad person, she didn’t run into Neal by accident, she is HER, she and Greg are up to something, or at least she is up to something – and thus is the big bad for the rest of the season. What a surprise. Not. But wasn’t the rule only one big bad per season? Alright, guess that is a rule for oldies and was something for analog TV times, something of the past millenium. Should admit I’m getting too old for this kind of TV entertainment.
But I liked the end for Pinocchio. Yes, sad, August is dead. But long live Pinocchio. Second chance for him and Geppetto to do it right now, I think that is great. Who wouldn’t love to have such a chance at times. Okay, I would prefer to maybe keep bit of my memories, just to know which mistakes not to make this time and instead make others, but that’s me.
As I loved Snow’s story line in this episode, her ongoing struggle with her conscience. That was nicely done, how she was talking to August, but one could tell, that she was always talking to herself. She needed a good end for August to still believe in a chance for herself.
Not sure about this slap moment though. Maybe it was just overdone, it felt exaggerated. I can see the point, basically, but found the gesture, the moment overdramatized. It is not the old Snow, who would have understood and forgiven (like Emma did, although I’m not the sure that this is in character, it felt somewhat off as well and it was a cheesy line), but Snow looked at her hand like it had been driven by some foreign power. I wouldn’t be surprised when some people are now somewhat confused, wondering if Snow is possessed, although don’t think that is where the writers wanted to go.
But what cheesy lines they had for Emma… Seriously?!
Alright, in the first ten minutes or so it was not all bad. Emma was very right about Snow (the soft love version of David makes things sometimes just worst). And “town is turning into a theme park” cracked me up. As did Neal’s “She’s bringing bagels” – just irresistible, I mean, bagels, anytime, best argument ever. But after that Emma got some of the worst lines of the show in this season.At least we had some real Evil Queen again. And Lana Parilla was again captivatingly snarky.
Oh, and I think I am going to get me bow and arrows and find me a nice place in the parks around here to do some shooting practice with some groovy sounds filling my hears (Joan Jett – Bad Reputation was a good choice, Snow!). Looks like some really good form of work out, anger management, antidepressant.
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