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For cryin out loud … I don’t question that Belle is Rumple’s true love. I question the concept of just ONE true love ever possible in someone’s life, and thus what the nature of the relationship between Rumple and Cora might have been at some point in their shared history. And even if they might kill Cora this Sunday, I highly doubt that we will have heard and seen the last of their story . In my opinion Rumple and Cora being soul mates doesn’t stand against Rumple and Belle having true love for each other. It makes Rumbelle even more interesting, having more impact. If Rumple had other relationships (besides Milah), and even more with someone who seems so unlikely to many as Cora, then Rumbelle doesn’t stand out because it the one other love besides Milah Rumple felt, but Rumbelle stands out because of its nature, of what it might be able to do to Rumple now in present time. It might be his second chance.
And before anyone brings up the kiss again: Rumple was surprised not about true loves kiss breaking the curse of the Dark One but about that it was obviously true love what they felt, Belle and Rumple. It’s the way I have seen that moment. Rumple knew of the power of true loves kiss at that point. He might have even known what it might do to him, and that is why he reacted so angry to Belle – ever thought of that? The moment Rumple realized he was losing his power he lashes out against Belle, yells at her, asks her who told her true love’s kiss can break any curse – sounded to me a lot like he not just suspected but knew it could work on his curse as well. At least I had the thought back then when watching the episode. We don’t know if anything alike happened even between Rumple and Cora.
And Fairy tales don’t just work with the concept of one true love. The world of fairy tales is lot more colorful and complex than Disney’s fluffy princess tale versions and some tuned down children books want to make us believe in. As I see it, Once Upon a Time tells the story of what happens when Fairy Tales have to face a world without all magic, without all the wondrous ways to guarantee happy endings, when they have to live in our world, where one has to work hard without magic to find happiness. It tells us the stories what happened before the fairy tale began and what after the happy endings, And the writers work with different sides of love, show us different sides of it – and I think the destructive side of obsessive love, the pain of failed love, the challenge of keeping love alive and thriving is as much in it as the idealist, romantic version of love as a mean to better oneself.
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@LisaS wrote:
@NONNIE wrote:
Seer said: to Rumple… the boy that leads you to your son will be your undoing He will not be what he seems.
On a spoiler I read SOMEONE WILL PRACTICE MAGIC FOR THE FIRST TIME sometime before the end of the season.
What if Gold who is dying due to poison gets UNDONE by Henry who cures him of the poison by using magic for the first time….
Just a thought …
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.I have feeling Neal & Emma will not allow that. I think it will be Snow that uses magic for the first time ever and it will be the candle that will come into play to kill Cora & save Rumple
Wouldn’t be the first time Snow used magic ever. She used the dark fairy dust on the trolls. She used the ink to get them out of the prison cell. Possible some people have forgotten about that (sorry, I find some of these spoilers by now plain hilarious, having only the quality of bad wordplays but no value of information, wonder if some of these spoiler writers tv critics even ever really watch the show)
Interesting idea, that the undoing might kinda come with curing Gold from the poison. A sort of side effect of using magic to cure him. Hmmm, It would set up a new twist if Henry would be the one using magic first time, pretty sure would create some interesting reactions within his family. But they barely dealt so far with Emma using magic at all, not to mention so many others things they have to address. As I think, for the sake of more seasons to come, that the story arc about Rumple’s undoing is something I don’t actually want to see to be told this season already.
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@A Chipped Cup wrote:
I’m sorry, but Adam and Eddie, you’re trolling. You are straight up trolling. 😆
Rumpel and Cora may have a lot in common, but they are like poison to each other. Too much darkness and not enough light. Rumpel needs someone to balance out his darkness. That’s why Belle is his true love. She balances him out and makes him want to be a better person. Someone who sits around and condones all the aweful things you do does not make them your soul mate. That’s not love. You don’t allow a loved one to spiral out of control and fall further and further into darkness. You just don’t. That’s why Belle and Baelfire are the only people Rumpel truly loves. They’re good people who bring out th best in Rumpel. They wants to help him change because they know that’s what’s best for him. That’s what true love is all about.
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You make it sound like if people are in love it makes them better people, better and friendlier to the rest of the world – and as nice, optimistic and idealistic this view is, and wish it to be true, think people in love don’t always become better people. Balance someone out? Like the more opposite someone is to me the better it would fit to give my soul balance? But most of the time we are attracted more to people who are alike us, and people who make us feel comfortable with ourselves without having to change at all, don’t we? I don’t believe that true love per se makes us what is called a better person simply because what is better is a matter of perspective. I don’t believe true love is all about making us a better person. And claiming to know what is best for someone is not always true love, it way to often is the beginning of its destruction.
I think calling Rumple and Cora soul mates was not such a bad choice of words. Something like cut from the same mold or kindred spirits doesn’t quite nails it in my opinion, there was some attraction. Rumple and Cora do understand each other better than anyone else, they have comparable experience and comparable goals, their souls are in many ways alike, thus soul mates in that sense. I agree with Kitsis&Horowitz, Cora understands Rumple in ways others don’t, and I add, namely Belle doesn’t and never will. Belle will never fully understand Rumple’s dark side – and that is maybe a good thing, wouldn’t you agree?
If those two, Rumple and Cora would have been able to fully embrace loving each other, if there was love on both of their sides, couldn’t this have done good though not just to those two but stopped a lot of horrible things happening? Who can tell? The idealist in me says, it’s a tragedy that these two weren’t able to trancendent their attraction into love, it could have spared the Fairy Tales Lands eventually a lot of suffering. It wasn’t their destiny though.
There is only a thin line between love and hate sometimes, both mean passion.
That doesn’t mean there is no room for Rumbelle left, why should it? Only if you assume that there is only one true love in everybody’s life possible, what I would find a rather sad and pessimistic view on things, but that is my opinion. The more love the better is my philosophy.
And do Belle and Bae bring out just the best in Rumple? Rumple’s obsession with his son, his failure to stick to him when he should and wanting to get him back is what very much ended in the Dark Curse, creating so much suffering. His love for Belle is equally obsessive. It’s not what any of them wants to bring out of Rumple, true, but it’s not like they bring just the best out of him.
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Seriously. These polls don’t show how many people actually like the actor (in this case) but how devoted the fans are to vote. Hit F5 button for refresh the site and vote your butt off as much as you can and want to do it (and count on sore fingers and eventually typist’s cramp if you do that for a longer time). (The big secrets of online fandom 101)
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@NONNIE wrote:
In other news, Eva was a b!tch, but I kinda like that they’ve done that, because it makes her doom all the more tragic. I’m guessing that whatever plays out with Cora is what forced Eva to change her ways. So Eva became good because of Cora, then Cora killed her for having been horrible.
I am tired of the inconsistency of the characterizations… a person does not become GOOD for no reason after being such a snot… never see it in real life … cannot see it in stories… NEVER HAPPENS… PETTY PEOPLE do not improve.
PLEASE OUAT be more consistent in your characterization !!!! Use the same writers for the same characters.
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.I love consistency in story writing too, but I don’t see inconsistency of characterization here (yet). Probably because of different life experience and maybe life view. People do change, not always to the better, not always to the worse, sometimes they just change a little in neither good nor bad way, but they change. Sometimes learn from mistakes. I’ve seen major changes in people happening, it’s not the thing I normally expect to happen, it’s rare, but it’s not impossible.
Furthermore, people have different faces and sometimes conflicting personalities, we are not consistent in our selves. People can appear quite different in different situations. Additionally how someone is perceived differs with the people who observe them.
Yup, it asks a lot to imagine, how such snotty, arrogant Princess Eva could turn into a warm motherly fair Queen Eva, but very sure it doesn’t happen without reason. We don’t know all the story, perhaps never will. We don’t know all the story about this moment in the sneek peak even, maybe there is more to it as well.
And it’s story telling, moreover fictional not documentary. I don’t expect writers to be all true to the experiences of my world, to my experiences in this world. I want them to take me sometimes beyond the world as I experience it every day, to tell me once in a while that something I feel as impossible might be nevertheless possible. To spark ideas, wonder (as in asking: maybe, despite what my experience says it is possible), make me re-think, question myself and the world, see alternatives, open my mind. I am not talking about fantastic elements in a story, like dragons or fire ball throwing witches or being able to transport from a space ship in seconds down to a planet, I mean human behavior. Sometimes it is to escape the world as I experience it even, but mostly for me it’s about reevaluating me in this world and the world as I see it. It’s a different kind of moment of wonder, not the thrill of sensational action but the charm of new or different thoughts. And yes, I prefer positive stimuli while nevertheless having a thing for dark drama – the darker the better, but the brighter even the smallest light of hope in the end can shine.
Okay, sorry for this stirring speech. Stepping down the soap box and scurry to do some real life stuff 😉
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Snow: Hook, isn’t the problem, David.
David: Tell that to my head.
(so hard to listen when the nob hurts)Regina: Have you ever considered that maybe, perhaps I AM good? I was always The Queen. It was YOU who added ‘Evil’ to my name.
Snow: Good doesn’t do what you do.
(maybe perhaps the good is evil is good is maybe whatever)Regina: And what did it get me? Dinner with a bunch of hypocrites who pretend they’ll forgive me, when in their hearts they know they never will. You’re giving me a chance? How about I give you one. Stay out of my way.
(okay, but the lasagne was good. no Manhatten pizza but it was good)Neal: Actually it’s in the Kigdom of Damarian on the north shore of the Dragon Fields of Zorn.
(has someone an adress or phone number for orders?)Emma: You like the New York pizza?
Henry: Yeah. It’s delicious, cheesy, and doesn’t lie.
(ouch, bad boy)Henry: So should I call you grandpa now?
Gold: Call me whatever you’d like
(maybe … Grumple?)Hook: Ticktock.
(not a man of many words. sometimes)Emma: The ‘Jolly Roger’ instead of a car?
(come on, why take a car when a ship is so much cooler anyway)Eva: As long as you hold the spirit of goodness in your heart, I shall never leave you.
(*sniffs*)Cora: I hate that outfit. Don’t know how that fairy stands it.
(Finally, someone said it)Cora: Such a good girl.
(that from the mother of evil)Snow: I’m going to kill Cora.
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@L Jones wrote:
Oh God! This board is filled with Emma/Neal shippers. No wonder people are posting nasty comments about a character no one knows about. 🙄 I have never encountered such intolerance on a message board in my life.
I have before, reminds me of reactions in the fandom of Cold Case when they first tried to add another female detective to the show for third season. Some harsh commentaries before the first episode with her even aired and it never got better. The character didn’t quite work for the show anyway, but the way a few fans reacted was exaggerated and unnecessary. It was only a minority of fans but it was a very loud one.
On the other hand I can understand that people get passionate.
But provoking people even more is not helpful either, L. Jones.
A bit of advice in general and to everybody: Sometimes it helps to not post immediately. Write in a text editor, save it there (or here as draft), take a break, drink a coffee, do some housework or whatever and then come back and take a second look. And mind, talking disrespectful about a fictional character might be taken by many as not so serious, but it creates moods and tones as well and it’s not really that much better as if we were talking about a real person.
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@Phee wrote:
@RumplesGirl wrote:
In other news, Eva was a b!tch, but I kinda like that they’ve done that, because it makes her doom all the more tragic. I’m guessing that whatever plays out with Cora is what forced Eva to change her ways. So Eva became good because of Cora, then Cora killed her for having been horrible.
.What a tragedy. Compared to this dysfunctional family and the family feud going on something like Romeo and Juliet went through is a piece of cake.
And, Phee, agree with your assessment why Cora is so good in playing Hook.
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@RumplesGirl wrote:
*Third Edit* “Irony everywhere.” that is such a Jane Espensen line. Also, “I can give you nothing but darkness.” So Rumple wants her to marry the King because he can’t actually give her what she “deserves” (which is to have a house dropped on her)
Yup, my thought as well. So Jane Espenson.
And as if we hadn’t been already dying to see this episode, after these sneak peeks the week seems even longer.
I’m with you, King Arthur.
Rumple and Cora are using and manipulating each other, they have been and they still are. And sorry, always thought that Rumple is the real big bad guy of the show, so I am biased, but I wouldn’t be so sure about how deep his affection for Cora goes here. The line “when you see the future then there is irony everywhere” after Cora said “well, brides have to be snow white” gave me the creeps (besides that it was funny).
I love the character of Rumplestiltskin, love what Robert Carlyle makes of him, but that doesn’t mean I feel any sympathy or much sympathy for the character as he is. Some people might believe there is another huge puppet master pulling even Rumple’s string but I do not and so I do see him as the big bad guy of the show, always have and nothing changed my mind about it so far. I see nothing in the sneak peek to change my mind either.
But doesn’t mean that I now begin to consider that Cora was just some other poor woman seduced by Rumple into darkness and dark magic. Nope, Cora is hungry for power and ready to do whatever it takes. Yes, she was treated awfully by Eva (what a brat, some change and gives some idea, why she so insisted to raise Snow differently, Eva obviously at some point learned a lesson) and even more so by King Xavier, and I guessed as much after past Sunday’s episode, but that neither explains and nor excuses everything.
As I see it, and I know particular Rumbelle fans might not like what I am going to say, Cora and Rumple deserve each other. Lock those two up in some well fortified isolated tower on a far a way island and let them fight it out there, and everybody else might have the chance for a happy ending.
And yes,go David, fight for the soul of your wife!
edit: Wow, you all type faster today than I can think 😮 😆
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