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@Gaultheria wrote:
@Gaultheria wrote:
@Swanning-Off wrote:
Cora’s dead bed speech to the Queen (did anyone call her Eva in the episode or was that just the casting call name? Sometimes the casting call names change in the episode and I’m pretty sure that the Queen was never referred to by name)
I don’t remember hearing her name in the episode, but I like the pun.
Nobody?
Snow’s stepmother is Evil Queen, and Snow’s mother is…
Oh, well, me and the crickets like it.
In the press release for the episode the character Rena Sofer played was listed as “Eva”, so it is official. In the episode she was not addressed as Eva. Snow called her of course mother, Johanna as servant addressed her as Majesty, Cora used neither name nor title and there was no one else addressing her otherwise or talking about her as Queen Eva.
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Just wondering: Some call the Blue Fairy the “ultimate power”. Now I can remember she was called in the show the “original power” (episode 1×19 The Return), but that is not the same. So need a little help here: Was the Blue Fairy called “ultimate power” anytime on the show? If in which episode. Or what scene(s), doings, moments of her or what was said about the Blue Fairy made us call her the “ultimate power”?
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Knew it when I saw it, Snowdrop is one of my favorite flowers. So, sorry, could have spared you a bit of searching, Belle, but on the other hand I’m sure that way you found some more interesting info. 😉
Symbolizes hope, a (new) beginning. But as well associated with death in some regions.
And there is some folktale, that the snow got its color from Snowdrop, that is why the snow and cold don’t harm it.
Interesting about Galantime as the possible antidote, didn’t know that so far. Snowdrop itself though is not advisable, particular it bulbs contains substances causing nausea.
Not sure if this flower could have done the trick (or if the writers thought of it), but I agree with ItachiIshtar. Cora told Snow for sure some crap, so likely there could have been a cure.
And I am very sure that this will raise some questions especially with those already mistrusting the Blue Fairy, the real one that is (yes, I am teasing you :P). Why didn’t she show up, why could Cora do this masquerade without the Blue Fairy noticing anything, or maybe she did knew something and Mother Superiors surprise was not authentic. Could the Blue Fairy have known of a cure for Eva? (yes, in the press release she was named Eva).
By the way, there is another flower of the same order as Galanthus, Scilla, another early Spring flower. Known in German also as Blausterne (transl. blue stars). Where I live we celebrate a Scilla festival every Spring, because there is a wonderful old cemetry now turned park full of Scilla siberica (Siberian Squill) here. Something for a fairy tale garden 😉
Okay, sorry, sidetracking.
If Galanthus could have worked as antidote to whatever Cora did to Eva – even more tragic the story.
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
Here’s the clip where Baliee talked about her prep for the role of young Snow White and Ginny Goodwin commended her for her portrayal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vry6smDzu1A&feature=player_embedded
I thought Bailee was wonderful at showing a distraught, saddened Snow White on the cusp of womanhood. She was both childlike and far more mature for her age all in one, and I believe that is down to Bailee’s acting chops, which were wonderful. Her face is so animated, and while some might call it overacting, I think it’s emotional and vibrant. She had me in tears several times, especially in those moments where she was mourning the loss of her mother. 😥
Couldn’t have said it better. Refrained from quoting the gifs you found, but they make it very visible.
@SpinningGold wrote:
I think the problem mainly comes from writers that are story telling instead of placing themselves in the mind of a child. Therefor their acting becomes construed and unnatural, because it’s not what a child would say. And I urge the writers to take a look at a BBC comedy series called ‘Outnumbered’ where they don’t write lines, just basic situations, and then let the kid actors loose with their own fantasy and let them react in their own words as the adults who play their parents have to react on that. it makes some some of the funniest comedy ever, like when Karen, the little daughter compares voting for goverment to an Idols finale where everyone has to dial in their vote and at the end the prime minister goes BOOHOO I won. And her disappointment and annoyment when dad tells he that’s not quite that way. “They should”.
Point is, it’s kids language. And it comes across far more natural, because the kids understand their role better.
another clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Qia54-re4Yes and no. Question is, how much do they expect anyone to exactly deliver the line always as they have scripted it, production and directing decision.
And a question is, what do they want the character to be like.
And Once Upon is not (just) playing in our times or our modern world even.
What comes across as clunky and sounding somewhat too adult for Henry could be on purpose, afterall he grew up with not so normal circumstances in a not all normal surrounding. Kids are notorious imitators, they copy from the people around them on conscious and subconscious level, developing over time their own more personal style (we don’t totally loose that habit of imitation or synching with people around us as adults, but by then we have developed more of our own style and quirks; think it was Jennifer Morrison who mentioned in an interview, how she sometimes picks up things from Ginnifer Goodwin without being all aware of it). Regina, the person with the most influence on Henry in his life so far, was less adapted to our modern world even than the other in Storybrooke because she had intact memories, something that you can notice in her use of language all over the time, it is outdated, has a touch of Shakespearan wording. Something I actually expect to have rubbed off on Henry. Henry is no normal teenager living in our world. And even the other citizens of Storybrooke had a slightly outdated speaking style before the curse broke, they were frozen in time, always out of sync with the rest of the world, our modern world.
This outdated style of phrasing is something that is even more present in the flashback to the Fairy Tale Lands, it’s all a bit flowery and stilted there, and even more so in royal families and at court. So, what for some looked as overacting was in my opinion something Bailee nailed better than even some adult actors in the Fairy Tale flashbacks do at times.
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You’re welcome. Numbers can drive crazy 😉
And considering how fast they sometimes are to axe a show nowadays it’s understandable that many worry early.Once Upon exceeded expectations in first season. I’m not that surprised that numbers now in second season are in average a tad lower. After all it is a fantasy show and with continuing story arcs, such kind of shows are are not regularly attracting big audience, and we’re talking about 22 episode season. In first season it was something new and maybe just because of that attracting a few more viewers. With the curse broken for some the attraction might have been lost as well. And I think they did in first season a little better with episodes, which were well weaven into the big story arc but still could work quite well as stand alone episode too, call it the Fairy-Tale or Storybook story of the week episodes (in style of monster of the week as we had in Buffy and X-Files for example; thinking of The Price of Gold or True North and even Red Handed). It might sound funny to some, but the feeling you have to watch a show week after week, and if you miss just one episode you’re out of it, can put people of a show, as much as they might like the overall concept of the show (it kept me from watching Lost, had not the time and muse to get into yet another addictive show).
I don’t think moving into another time slot, to another day would do Once Upon much good (well, maybe, if you want to change the tone of the show and want to go much more darker, but that might not increase numbers). One of the things that makes Once Upon different from other fantasy / supernatural shows is that it does well as family show, parents are watching it with their kids, so called co-watching numbers were remarkable in season 01 (don’t know though numbers for this second season). Now tell me, how many fantasy shows ever did that? It might be a wee bit frustrating for any of us having a thing for the darker sides of life and fantasy, but it makes it a good fit for Sunday primetime.
Once Upon offers something I haven’t seen maybe since Star Trek: a rather positive, optimistic view on life. Yes, life is full of drama and turmoil and plenty of darkness and is complicated, so is the show, but the basic message is a positive one: Hope – and love as the power to overcome maybe every obstacle life throws at us. It’s another thing that differentiates Once Upon from many other fantasy / supernatural shows at the moment and gives it a unique role on present TV.
Reasons why I am not worried yet about numbers. And there has been an explosion of renewed interest in fairy tales and similiar more modern stories (like the Wizard of OZ), a number of movies , TV shows like Once Upon and Grimm, and more to come. It’s telling that other networks are looking into developing their own fairy tale series feeding on this renewed interest, will be interesting what will survive pilot season and eventually become competition for Once Upon. (Something that tells me, that ABC is making some good money with commercial time during Once Upon, although numbers for that are not public).
Well, of course can’t predict the future, I am no seer, and suprising things have happened.
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Does anybody know what the ratings for LOST was? I never watched it. Were the numbers better or worse?
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.There is a good overview on Wikipedia, Lost ratings.
@Sarah_TN wrote:
@NONNIE wrote:
Problem is if the numbers of the people ABC wants to reach is not good enough …You do not get season 3 ….. you do not get the DVD production … Production just kind of drifts away.
I know DVR and on line viewing helps the numbers of viewers but if people do not watch
OFF TOPIC: DID you notice that for every 10 minutes of show there was 5 minutes of commercials? It drives me nuts..
.About the commercials: I am glad I’m not the only one who noticed that! Right there, that tells me they’re having to draw in money for production from outside of the network, and that’s coming from more sponsors. Folks, that scares me because it has me asking if the show’s already in trouble, and how that translates to next season! 😮 😯
The good news is: They are able to sell some commercial time. Average length of Once Upon episode is about 43 minutes, no difference in first season, and that is very much average for primetime shows.
No reason to be any scared here. As long as they sell good (as in high priced) and much commercial time they are good. That is what makes the money besides syndication (international as well as national) and DVD selling.
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@tammythebear wrote:
@Mich7 wrote:
Yeah, I think this episode revealed what may really be going on in Emma’s heart and mind right now…she’s at war with herself…her head is telling her to move on…she can’t trust him and her heart is saying she wants him back and I think that Gold calling her on that revealed that her heart really was winning until “ugh” Tamara showed up …Emma really looked hurt. And no…this doesn’t change my mind either…I don’t like Tamara…and I can’t wait for her to find out that Emma is Neal’s baby’s momma 😈 Yes, I will be gloating.
I couldn’t have said ANY of this better. I thought the scene was instantly wrecked when Tamara arrived-not because she is his fiancee- but because the actress and the character didn’t ADD anything to it besides a really bad introduction of a character. I am sorry but it you want people to like your character you better act the ___ out of it… without going overboard. There were good vibes all around with the “Life is full of surprises” conversation where he was going to gently mention his “friend” and then-WHAM- all of the life was was sucked out of the scene. The one good thing that came from enduring it was to see that #1 Emma still cares #2 Obviously Neal does too if he was calling his fiance a “friend” and “complicated” #3 Neal obviously hasn’t told Tamara about Emma or his previous life- including his father- at all either… not to mention that he has a SON… You would think that once you find out your have a son you would let the person you plan to spend your life with know… LOL I can’t wait for her to find out about Emma and Henry…hehehehe 👿
Wasn’t it very much the sense to wreck this moment between Emma and Neal here? It was meant to be an awkward moment, crushing hopes before they really start blooming. And it will add a lot to the dynamic in this family.
Sonequa Martin-Green did a good job , as far as we can tell at this point (we know nothing about the character) Putting all shipping and knowledge about Emma and Neal aside, kinda trying to watch it as some stranger standing by chance nearby watching this scene (maybe easier for me as non-shipper) would say, Tamara came across as rather sympathetic. She is Neal’s fiance after all, and besides a short questioning look and a look telling that Tamara very well noticed these two have some history she reacted quite relaxed in this moment,no panicking who is that reaction. Curiosity on her side, a friendly distance, but open-minded. Seriously, I would like to go and take coffee with Tamara to get to know her better.
I’m not totally sure about the time which went by from the episode Manhatten to this one but my guess is maybe a day at best, if even. So, when should Neal have told his fiance about his son? He just learned himself he has one.
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Stop staring at these numbers like at some fantastic scary dragon. The question is, what does ABC expect, do they get the audience they want to reach or not. And before they will think about cancelling they will have to come with something as good to fill this time slot.
The numbers aren’t even bad, they are solid. And Once Upon a Time does particular well with key Women.
And only partially can compare it with a show like Games of Thrones: that one is a cable show with a different structure (10 episodes per season, they have a different concept for commercials). Looking at the numbers of the season 2 final of Game of Thrones by the way we had there a 4.2 million viewers and a rating of 2.2. So if you just look at the numbers it doesn’t tell all the story.
One other thing: I would be rather cautious to take anything like Paleyfest or even Comicon as all representative for viewership. And just because some shout louder than others that doesn’t tell all about how important their number in viewership is, it tells maybe something about devotion. Just saying. No offense. Just the social scientist in me talking here.
@steliokontos1 wrote:
Totally agree Once is too good a show to be showing numbers like this ABC needs to step up it’s marketing to make sure things don’t get worse. The problem with Once like you said is for a lot of people if they miss an episode they feel like the’re completely out of it so they figure they’ll catch up at the end of the season and pick it up again. They need to figure out a way to carry the momentum from the start of the season to the end better.
Well, that is the risk these kind of shows always take. There is a reason why police procedurals are over long periods among the top viewed shows, it’s easier to skip episodes, getting more random viewers. You can do what you want on Once Upon, unless you turn the show into a procedural random viewers will not watch this show. And good luck with turning any random viewers into regulars.
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@soulsurf7 wrote:
Don’t get me wrong I love the show but I think the writing is not as well thought out as last season. And with its success I would hope to see it get even better. In ep. Stable boy I don’t think Regina had a doubt that Cora had planned the whole thing. She says that it was no accident and Cora plays dumb. As Regina leaves, she mutters to herself that she should have let Snow die.
And I think they have more time to think things out this season, that is why they sometimes get a little lost in their own stuff, too much thinking so to speak. 😉 Not quite sure either, why they brought up the moment Regina and Snow met at great length here. Maybe it was there to tie it all in for people, who aren’t following the show so intensely as fans are, after all it has been a while, that Stable Boy aired. Not everyone has seen and discussed all so far aired episodes umpteen times.
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Starting with the end. Love where they are taking Snow at the moment. She was struggeling most of the season with her conscience, her decisions, but now it comes out into the open. It’s often not an easy to answer question, what is the right thing to do, did I do the right thing? what if I’d choosen a different path? Cause and effect and consequences. Made me remember an episode of Xena from season 02, “Remember nothing” (where Xena is given a second life if she manages to not ever draw the blood of anyone, to give up the warrior way – of course she does in the end fight). Well, actually the whole series was a lot about that issue, these questions. And about things like destiny, taking responsibilty and redemption.
As much I love the connection they make with Cora. Dark. That woman is not all about power she is as much on a revenge trip, and even more hellbent on it than Hook is about killing Rumple. Not enough to kill the woman who in some way hurt her (whatever the story, it might be just jealousy but Cora does hurt), nope, destroy her legacy, destroy the goodness and happiness of that woman’s child. So can’t wait what they are going to tell in the next episode.
So, Cora is on a power trip, revenge trip (against Snow because of Eva and guess as well against Rumple) and overly possessive mother. And she is patient and works very tactical. Extrem danger.
Did anyone else think that was some ambigous statement, when Cora told Regina in the digging scene? Cora: “I’ll use that dagger to force The Dark One to kill anyone you like.” So everyone Regina likes to be killed and/or everyone Regina likes will be killed.
Meanwhile Regina believes that she is better off to forsake doing good and just go for the power to make everybody do what she wants. Hmm. We know this is not really going to work. But the Evil Queen is back – thank you. Regina offered some twisted world view at the dinner.
On the other hand had some strange thoughts about what defines who is good and who is evil in fairy tales. Most of the times in fairy tales it seems to be obvious, not really a question, we have a hero and after some turmoil the good guys always get the happy ending. Or should we say: those who get the happy ending in the tale always are the good guys, have to be, what they did was justified in the end, maybe not all good, but they basically never really were losing it. No, it’s not that simple either, but a different perspective. In real life things are lot more complicate. And when taking a closer look on most fairy tales things aren’t so simple there either. Not always. It’s a matter of perspective, isn’t it.
Now, I am the last person who thinks what Rumple, Regina, Cora or Hook did was or is any justifiable, but that doesn’t exclude that sometimes I find their actions and reactions understandable and relatable even. Best story telling: when you not just find something in the good guys but in the villains as well. When you can relate to both sides. At least I think it is great story telling, because humans are ambivalent, never just one or the other, conflicted and able to do so much great and so much evil.
Back to the episode.
Once again Bailee Madison wowed me. What a talent. The scene with her, Rena Sofer and Lesley Nicol were all great (and read some found it whiny – folks, have you ever seen a child worry and lose their mother at that age?)
Gold is pushing Emma’s buttons, and no, I think it’s meant not all friendly. Mr. Gold is not Mr. nice grandpa all of a sudden, he still is Gold and Rumple and The Dark One depending on context – and he will use everything to his advantage.
Gold is though right about Emma. And what a heart breaking moment. There she was considering for a moment if maybe she should give it another chance, still guard up, but cautiously try, and then bang, there comes the fiance. Sorry Swanfire fans. That must hurt. Being no shipper though what I see is an interesting obstacle and challenge for the characters, something to explore them more, and that I like. Besides we know so little about this new character Tamara at the moment, she might have some interesting story on her own, who knows. So, welcome to the show.
Knew early that something was wrong with the Blue Fairy, that was not quite herself when we saw her with Snow. Little things, the way she talked, moved, (kudos to Keegan Connor Tracy) and that strange offer. Right, some people suspect her having her own (eventually evil) plan in all this. Well, I don’t. The moment when Mother Superior reacted genuinely confused what Snow was talking about it became sure for me, that it had been Cora in disguise.
Wonder though, what would Cora have done if Snow had taken the bait and saved her mother?
Wonder even more how are they planning to find a cloaked pirate ship in New York without the help of Hook. Emma using magic? Oh, they can use the dream catcher to see where it is 😉 Doubt by the way that she will leave him behind this time. No, I am no CaptainSwan shipper either, but nevertheless.
Wonder what Cora implied, when she said in the major’s office “By the time Rumplestiltskin returns, Emma Swan and the rest of them will be nothing more than a vaguely unpleasant memory, and Henry will be yours.”
And have to mention that Galanthus (Snowdrop, Schneeglöckchen – also known as Fair Maids of Februar and Candlemas Bells, the flowers shown) are one of my favorite flowers. Whenever they showed up in winter it was a sign for me, that not too long and it will be Spring again, and I am not a fan of winter time. No surprise that Galanthus indeed symbolizes hope. Although in some places they are as well associated with death. More ambiguity.
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@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:
. We already know she’s playing a younger version of Regina in an origin episode airing next month, but did you also know she’s part of a love story?
Anyone catch that? That error completely confused me while reading! They said Regina and not Cora… uh-oh, they’re going to be confusing the audience big time!
In the text on E! Online (by now) it says Cora. 😉
Excited to hear, Rose McGowan might be back next season.
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