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Myril
ParticipantInteresting how many seem to first think of Rumple possibly dying when hearing what the seer says.
But undoing, to undo has nothing to do with dying or death.
It means:
– to reverse an action or its effects, to cancel, annul something
– cause the ruin or downfall of (undoing what someone as acheived)
– cause to become loose, unfastenSo, no, I don’t think the seer was talking of death, no matter how cryptic seers tend to be with their prophecies. But sometimes we hear what we fear the most, or what we want to hear, we don’t really care to listen. It will be the undoing of Dark One Rumplestiltskin but not the death of Rumplestiltskin.
That Dark One Rumplestiltskin might not have liked to hear to be undone in the future is no surprise, he likes the power magic offers, the feeling of being untouchable, scary for others but not scared by others anymore, respected out of fear. And it’s no surprise either, that the very first thing he thinks of is to kill whoever looks like a threat.
But some time has gone by since then, and though Rumple / Mr Gold is still somewhat of a fool, he had some hundred years to learn to be a tad more cautious about whatever the future seems to tell.
It’s a puzzle – and don’t we love puzzles 😉
And I agree with those questioning, if the seer actually was talking about Henry. We shouldn’t be all sure about that.
As we shouldn’t be too sure, that there are just two ways to break the curse of the Dark one. Maybe there is another option besides killing him with the dagger or redeeming him through true love’s kiss. Not that I can think of any right now, but just because so far only these two ways are known doesn’t mean, there are just these two options.
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Myril
ParticipantCreated this little crude spreadsheet to keep track of the numbers. Includes season 01 and 02. Will update with new episodes.
Once Upon a Time Ratings
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Myril
ParticipantGood idea, Nonnie. And thanks for the link.
A slide show for 109 shows? 🙄 Someone should kick the editor or web designers at huffpo.So, for anyone like me finding slide shows annoying and for more reassuring two more links:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Fall-TV-Schedule-1005618.aspx
http://tvline.com/2013/01/04/tv-shows-renewed-cancelled-2013-abc-nbc-cbs-fox-cw/¯\_(?????? ?)_/¯
Myril
ParticipantIt’s always good to get them nominated and vote for them as fan whenever and wherever possible. Show them some love. Regardless from the ratings.
Now the ratings. Often feared, often misunderstood. :ugeek:
Of course for a network it is somewhat interesting to see how their show did compared with everything else in general and in particular aired during the same time slot – but it’s not the most important number for their decision. More important is, how the show did compared to the average rating of the network (and every show, even something like single event shows as Grammys or Superbowl and sports, is included in that average). And even more interesting, how they did in the for commercials interesting demographic group of age 18-49. Actually, it’s not even interesting, how many people watch a show, really interesting for business is, how many people watch the commercials shown before, after and during a show (Nielsen does evaluate that too, but those numbers are not open data). That is why so far DVR is not of that much interest for ratings, not if people skip the commercials. Same goes for any internet streaming. But they have noticed that this might be something not to underestimate. As well they have noticed that social media might offer some interesting data as well to judge, how interesting a show might be for commercials even, so in fall this year Nielsen will beginn in collaberation with Twitter to evaluate Twitter data regularly. And how many people watch a show is an important but not the only factor for how much money you can take for ad time.
That said, take another look at past Sunday’s ratings.
ABC has at the moment an average rating of 2.3 among 18-49 (now that is an overall average, as far as I can tell, source for all numbers: “TV by the numbers”). Past Sunday’s rating was 2.2 – so okay compared to average. Sure, could be better, Grey’s Anatomy had some 3.1 rating past week, but they had not to go against the Grammys. A share of 5 percent (share of audience age 18-49) was not dazzling but Fox coming in third wasn’t better. Once Upon a time had though like 3-4 million more viewers than Fox (all viewers), a sign that Once Upon a Time attracts probably some more kids and more 50+, a real family show. True, ratings had been better on other Sundays, 3.1/8 (rating/share) for the winter final, season premiere had even 3.9/10, so it’s a low for the show, but not yet something to get big time worried about in my opinion. Not yet. And I share that view with a number of tv critics.Disagree about the first season rating, Marilou, for ABC they were good. And it was the number one primetime non-sports show on Sundays.
If you want to keep an eye on the numbers:
TV by the Numbers
And for anyone on Twitter the offer @TheCancelBear to get news if shows are good for renewal, at risk, or cancelled.The site Futon Critic is a good source for a lot of information and news about most shows, including info about ratings, although those number are maybe for advanced interpretation. Go here for Once Upon a Time
And if you interested in how the numbers look for Twitter, go toSocialGuide Intteligence
For the fans of data visualisation: Infographic Reveals The Top Social TV Shows & Movies Of 2012
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Myril
ParticipantRumple was so stressed and feeling that he was just a second away from exploding, that he went to the bathroom to blow off steam. He was frustrated and scared and nervous about getting really closer now to see his son again. There was nothing deliberate in injuring his hand, he had a tantrum. Think he suspected already, that he had no magic to use, but at that moment, out of habit and hoping to be wrong he nevertheless gave it try.
Don’t think that the scanner took magic away from him, Rumple lost his magic the moment he crossed the town line, and he suspected he would. Why should that happen at the airport, what influence should anything of our modern tech world have on magic? He got his memory back, so then why not his magic as well, when the shawl ever protect that too (what I highly doubt). Storybrooke is a bubble of magic in a world without magic. Only items that carry some magic inside them, like the shawl, do work outside the limits of Storybrooke, but you can’t create new magic outside, the magic abilities of a person vanish the moment they cross the town line. Mr. Gold only created a potion to prevent one from losing the Fairy Tale Land identity, what I think was the easier task compared to keeping one’s magic (if the later would ever be possible at all)
Something did happen when Gold had to take of the shawl – he began to revert to his cursed Storybrooke self, he got a taste of what would happen if. He was at a loss, and it scared the heck out of him. One thing Gold hardly can stand is feeling freightened and helpless, so following that moment he felt frustration and than anger.
As I don’t think that in the end scene Gold was scared of flying. He’s stressed out because with every step they take, he is getting closer to see his son again, and we know he doesn’t expect a happy reunion, he told Archie as much, and at the same time Gold is more and more out of his element, being away from magic, getting deeper into our world without magic. Shouldn’t forget, it took him around 300 years to come to this point. Considering that I marvel at his self control.
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I do agree with Gaultheria, why didn’t he shrink it or turn it into a handkerchief that he could have kept in is pocket?
Good question, but my guess is, if he shrank the shawl it wouldn’t be anymore the shawl that is so important to him, which he holds most dear, then it wouldn’t work as the talisman anymore. It’s not just the potion that gives the shawl its memory protective property. Besides shrinking it would have deprived us of this great airport scene. 😉
And as others have noted, why did he want to fly instead of driving? Flying between Logan and La Guardia/JFK takes a LOT longer than driving between the two.
I am a person who thinks that driving any longer than one hour with a car is torment, but I am a European. Prefer to ride a train or take a flight even if it might take a bit longer. Not to mention, it reduces accident risk. 😉
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Myril
ParticipantWelcome to the forums! v
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Myril
ParticipantYou found it. And the forums. Welcome! 😀
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Myril
ParticipantAs interesting as this discussion is about Emma, Regina, Henry, parental rights, parenting and moral, I suggest that we do that in a thread focusing on that subject and not in this threat about favorite and least favorite moments of the episode Tiny (2×13) This goes so far beyond this one episode that we should put it into general or character discussion. Okay?
So back on topic.
least favourite moments:
As much as I liked to see Jorge Garcia coming back, that they turned Jack into a woman, and that they made the giants good guys as little I liked the whole story arc of the giants and the magic beans. The more often I see it and think of it the more headaches it gives me. When they first mentioned the giants in the episode Tallhassee I somehow assumed, that the war with the giants happened at least some decades if not centuries ago – not just a couple of years gone by. Not that there was actually anything telling more time must have passed, but it made more sense in my mind. James and Jack leading the attack killing the last few of the giants except for Anton makes less and less sense to me. Arlo must have known some strong magic to hide the giants, their realm and the beanstalk leading to it so good, that neither the fairies nor Rumple nor anyone else for hundred of years knew that they still existed. Then why couldn’t they protect themselves against that army and the poison? And how got this army up the beanstalk for an attack anyway? The plotholes are bigger then a giant’s footstep. I get it, they needed the build up for the moment to reveal, there is hope, Anton has the means to grow magic beans again. Okaayyy (and hearing now Jennifer Morrison as Emma in my head saying it, :lol:)
They wasted a good idea, a probably interesting character for just this story and a few scenes. Talking of Jack.
favourite moments:
any scene with Mr. Gold. These emotions! Paricular the moment in the bathroom. And the fun in the scenes fo the traveling trio mostly thanks to Henry. Was the right balance.
Anton going on the rampage in Storybrooke like Godzilla or King Kong. 😆 Of course he had to throw a car, and of course he had to get a little caught up in power lines. But they didn’t make him climb up the clock tower. 😯 😉
Ruby’s at the hospital. As heart breaking as it was, it made so much sense, that Ruby was visiting Belle and trying to reconnect. And sadly it made as much sense that she failed. As it makes sense that all they know to do is to keep Belle mostly sedated at the moment, they are all overwhelmed by the situation, not really knowing how to handle it (well, how do you handle such a situation?). The same goes for Ruby’s reaction to Greg, it was fitting. She perceives him as a threat, an outsider from a world which doesn’t have magic and doesn’t believe in it, so can’t expect Ruby to be all friendly with Greg. She wants him gone, they all want him gone as fast as possible. One of the better scenes of this episode.
The dwarfs adopting Anton as a brother. That’s what they do. Besides work, stick together. 😉
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Myril
ParticipantThis is what the Blue Fairy said about magic beans in the episode The Return (1×19)
Blue Fairy to Baelfire:
A magic bean. The very last one that is known to our kind. The others got away from us. You just use it wisely, and follow wherever it leads you. It will save you both.Blue Fairy to Rumple:
You had the way, you didn’t take it. And there are no more magic beans.Guess most of us remember better what she told Rumple, but she said something slightly different to Bae: it was the last bean the fairies knew of.
More fuel though as well for the theory that the Blue Fairy has her own grand scheme running and manipulated Rumple in this moment. I read it differently, but can see that one can read it as the Blue Fairy telling Rumple not the whole story.
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Myril
ParticipantLooks like the Blue Fairy has her wand back, in Storybrooke.
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