[Myril]

@toomanyships wrote:

I’d love this to be Mrs. Potts, as played by the actress who also plays Mrs. Patmore on Downton Abbey. She was just cast, but they don’t specify who she will play.

Also, Edith, the name on the casting call, is also the name of a character on DA.

http://tvline.com/2013/01/02/once-upon-a-time-season-2-cast-lesley-nicol/

According to what Lesley Nicol tweeted it’s not Mrs. Potts. Sorry.

[Myril]

New info (ha, big sister is watching 😆 )

Bailee Madison tweeted a few hours ago, that she landed in Vancouver, back to play young Snow again. And Lesley Nicol tweeted a couple of hours ago to be on her way to Vancouver.She wrote on Twitter as well by the way, that she thinks she is playing some servant, but definitely not Mrs. Potts.

Guessing that they are or will soon start filming for this episode. So think it looks more and more like we are going to have the story of Snow White’s mother in this episode. The Queen is dead – well, she might be.

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[Myril]

@EvilQueen wrote:

That’s all very well but she KNEW about the magic tree and its powers to teleport to our reality, yet didn’t tell Rumple about it at the time. Instead she let him start working on the curse.

That’s an assumption, we don’t know it. She might have known of the possibility to turn the enchanted tree into a portal or not when she had this (first) clash with Rumple. It’s not said. Unlike you though I don’t think she knew at that point. And I am not convinced that the tree would have worked that way before the Dark Curse struck anyway. Rumple had a hundred or so years himself to look for a portal, he went many ways he says. Should think he would have found out about the tree himself in that time – he learned about the hat, the mirror, the shoes, so it’s more than likely he would have learned about the tree as well, if there had been any way at that point to use the tree as portal to find Bae.

I think many of us don’t trust the fairy because of her apparent inclination to be proper and do the right thing no matter what. And we don’t like being told we are wrong, especially if it comes from someone we cannot say anything wrong about.

Does she ever personally claim, that she does the right things no matter what? And no, no one likes to be told to be wrong, even when it’s right, but no one says that no one can criticise the Blue Fairy. But criticising someone for mistakes is something different from suspecting her to be a dogdy person, questioning her intentions, accusing her even to be eventually a kind of puppet-master following only her own big plan. Seeing mistakes and naming them is not the same as coming up with conspiracy theories.

Next: yes, she is the Good Fairy but she still imposes limitations on her gifts (like with Pinocchio not remaining a boy or Cinderella ) – is that really fair and good? Isn’t that limiting the free will that people have?In the end all those wishes she did for the people were already prizes for what they did or felt, so why put conditions on it if they have already done enough to deserve it? We say we learn from our mistakes so should a Fairy intervene in our decisions or let us deal with the consequences? Like with little children, sometimes it’s better to let the kid get burnt once so it won’t do it ever again.

The limit of free will of people is the good of others.

What is fair and good? Was it fair at all to help Cinderella while very sure plenty of maids would love to live a different life? And we don’t know, what the fairy would have done for Cinderella, maybe she wouldn’t have set the midnight limit, maybe she would have. After all, taking the prince on a bit of a quest to find the mysterious woman might have been the thing he needed to convince his family that she is the one and only, The story is not told in all detail here, so feel free to imagine. And don’t we sometimes wish, that everybody would suffer immidiate consequences like Pinocchio when losing their good way, wouldn’t it be a good thing? Maybe it’s not unfair, no disadvantage but an advantage, giving him a clearer moral compass than any of us have. Pinocchio still can make his choices, just that it has very tangible consequences for him.

On the other hand if she shouldn’t intervene, should she then not grant any wishes in the first place?
It’s a tricky question and I’m really glad the writers explore this area, by purposely hinting things that make us question Blue Fairy and her intentions.

Yes, it’s a question, if she should intervene at all. Shouldn’t people succeed all on their own or fail if they can’t do it on their own and need help of fairy magic?

I don’t question intentions of the Blue Fairy, because that is in my opinion not the point (and yes, I think the writers might agree, but that is an assumption of mine). The question is not if the Blue Fairy is good or not, but what is good and fair? How can we tell? What if we have good intentions, but what we do creates something bad? What if we do something selfish and even harm someone, but somehow it creates something good for others? Was it than a bad doing or a good one? We have a far bigger moral issue here than the question, where the Blue Fairy stands.

Personally, I’m still waiting for the confirmation of where she’s standing. I would like her to turn out to be the good one – mainly because there is no other good magic around and it makes everyone believe that if you have to do anything with magic, you must not be entirely good. And sure, we have Emma use it and we KNOW she’s not perfect, yet we excuse her. Now we have Blue and we see she’s not perfect either but we haven’t seen enough of her yet to be sure of who she really is, only that she claims to stand for the righteousness and the overall good. I want her to be the good one to show that, same as with the bad guys, there is so many layers to the ‘good’ side that can be explored in a different way. If people like putting things in the right box, perhaps exploring Blue’s character would make them take a second look at the things they categorize. It would give viewers a really strong figure that sticks to her values despite the things people think about her.

Haven’t heard the Blue Fairy, or any fairy state, that they are beyond any doubt and overall good. On the good side, yes, that the Blue Fairy said to be, but never heard her claim to be perfect, pure good, never ever doing wrong, above all.

What would confirm for you where she is standing? Guess someone stating she is on the good side besides herself wouldn’t be enough. Doing good? But then again we have the question, what is beyond any doubts good? Or if she’s not on the good side would it be her killing someone? Well, that could be a good deed in some cases, or not?

The idea there might be no unquestionable good or evil, and thus no one to embody good or evil is so unpleasantly real world and something not easy to brave. Now many fictional stories are good because of not painting all in black and white but showing the shades in between, even fairy tale characters are not always simple one or the other – but at the end of the story things do turn out good.

That said, just to make this clear. I don’t doubt the Blue Fairy’s intentions, she is on the good side, but that doesn’t mean her actions are beyond doubt. Besides, there is a difference between judging a person and judging her doings.

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[Myril]

@AntBee You’re welcome. 🙂

But now I have to crush your ideas again … No, not seriously. I mean, not in the sense, that they don’t make any sense anymore. But I just had this thought: Maybe the stranger is someone from our world, not a simple someone, but someone.

The riddle aside of how goods come to Storybrooke and where they get the money to pay for it: What would happen, when someone from our world comes to Storybrooke and sees by accident magic happen? How would that someone react? How would you react? Think you’ve gone crazy? Be curious? Be scared? Want to know more about it? Eventually see a chance for profit? Or see a threat that should be taken care of? Maybe you get the idea, that you could make a deal, keep the secret of Storybrooke and its people for a favour, something alike an endless stream of money (by the way, what about the Wishing-Table, the Goldass and the Cudgel in the Sack, does Rumple have them?). Maybe have the thought to even learn magic.

And how would the people of Storybrooke react? Get scared? Hope for the best, that no one would believe that someone anyway (that would be stupid, there are always people believing stories like that, maybe not many, but a few can be already a threat or nuisance; imagine tourists looking for magic, or for Snow White and Charming to get an autograph of such a famous couple, or celebrity stalkers at the doorstep of the Evil Queen – yeeek)? Hardly they would not care at all.

Options:

• Test if the someone loses any knowledge, memory of Storybrooke when crossing the line back to the outside world – but how to be sure? He could lie. And even though I think that Emma indeed has some skills to detect deception and lies, it’s not infallible (it’s a skill and not a superpower, but better discuss that in the character thread). They would have to keep him under obeservation, but as of yet they can only assume, that Emma or Henry might be able to cross the townline without any memory loss (and August, but who knows where he his). Would take more people to keep an eye on that guy to be sure. Too risky.[/*:11ypjyzt]

• Cast a memory loss spell – hm, dangerous as well, what if he has or meets some true love, and that curse gets broken?[/*:11ypjyzt]
• Kill him or let him die – uhm, something good people don’t do, right. Besides that, someone might miss him and come looking. Bad idea, will make more outsiders come to town.[/*:11ypjyzt]
• Keep him (locked up) in Storybrooke – have fun with that. Nearly the same as killing him, someone might come looking for him.[/*:11ypjyzt]
• Trust him, make a deal with him to keep the secret – well, yah, wouldn’t even work in fairy tales 😉 The task is to make sure he keeps the deal or the promise. Risky, but for good people maybe the only choice.[/*:11ypjyzt]

So, think there is something interesting in bringing some normal someone from our world to Storybrooke. And what if that someone is a bit of weirdo already, or some greedy, powerhungry someone, a psychopath, serial killer even … Well, think the serial killer would be a tad too much, but someone seeing some oportunity for big money or power for himself could be enough to create some headaches for the folks in Storybrooke. And that could be material for a longer story arc.

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[Myril]

So in short, the Blue Fairy is suspicious because she is not all perfect, not all knowing, not turning all the mess, bad and evil things people do into good, fails to solve everybody’s problems with fairy dust, doesn’t make the bad and evil disappear with the flick of her wand, and is wrongly overprotective at times.

a) Keeping Nova and Grumpy apart
That I call a typical overprotective reaction of people who care and are in charge, but that doesn’t make her untrustworthy to me. It’s not like they locked them up or send them to some far away place to keep them apart. Bossy talked of responsibilities to Grumpy, and the Blue Fairy agreed with Bossy and told Grumpy “it’s just a dream” – and I think Bossy and the Blue Fairy were honest, they actually believed it was something that wouldn’t last and only could harm Nova and Grumpy. So guilty of lack of open mind in that situation, and wrong about the nature of feelings between Grumpy and Nova. Makes the Blue Fairy very untrustworhty, indeed. Not in my opinion.

b) lying about the wardrobe
Yes, the Blue Fairy lied to the assembly, Snow and Charming about how many the enchanted tree could save, but just think of what discussion would have happened otherwise about Geppetto’s demand. Maybe she was wrong about assuming that otherwise no one would have made that wardrobe in time, or that the others wouldn’t have agreed to let Pinocchio go as well, but I can see her point.

c) slipping up about curse
The Blue Fairy doesn’t tell Rumple, that there is a curse, Rumple guessed it. She could have tried harder to deny it, but it was rather useless, Rumple likely would have caught it as lie anyway. Her mistake? Yes, but she was unsettled about it.
And just because Rumple was not that long the Dark One doesn’t mean he was not already a match to her at this point. I think she was honest to Bae, when she said, she couldn’t get his father back, she couldn’t strip the powers of the Dark One from Rumple. So, should she have tried to kill him with the knife for the greater good, turning herself into an even more powerful Dark One given her already excisting power and knowledge? Great idea.

d) the ashes of the enchanted tree
Not sure what you mean with that. That the Blue Fairy could have had the probably brilliant idea, to get some of the water of Lake Nostos (she should have known, that there was still some water left underground, maybe) to recharge the wardrobe and then send Snow and /or Charming through as well before the Dark Curse got to them? Maybe should have had the idea, but she hadn’t. (They should have trapped Regina again, and then send her and Rumple throught that wardrobe to our world, would have made things a lot easier)
Or is it about what happened in second season? Could the Blue Fairy have known, the wardrobe was still there? Did she know there was still something of the Fairy Tale Lands left? Had she some spy there telling her, what kind of things, creatures and people survived there the Dark Curse? Then what? Send Snow and Emma a message via Henry (the Blue Fairy should have known about that, shouldn’t she) to tell them how to get home? Would that have made any difference, kept Cora out of the picture? And what other ways to get to our world are you talking about? The hat was destroyed, the beans were thought to be all gone, so what ways didn’t the Blue Fairy think of? Not to mention: it’s one thing to have a vast knowledge, doesn’t mean you always have the right ideas in time how to deal with something.

e) King Georg destroying the hat
Uhm, The Blue Fairy did tell Charming to take good care of that hat, didn’t she, and she trusted him. Or maybe she shouldn’t have and take it herself to watch it. She should have known that David /Charming messes up, that he put the hat into a place, where Georg accidentally saw it, and then could easily find and take it. I really don’t get the logic of you blaming the Blue Fairy for that. Maybe the ashes of the hat could have been of use, or maybe not, but nothing says, she didn’t even consider the idea – you assume she doesn’t because it’s not shown.

And the ogre wars? Should the Blue Fairy have turned all ogres into cute, harmless and peaceful cows? Okay, at least she could have taken away all children and brought them to some far away safe haven till the war ended, would have made all parents very happy and grateful. Or take control of the Dark One, or become the Dark One herself to stop the Duke from recruting even children for war. You think there was no price to pay for Rumple ending the wars as the Dark One? Think again.

And what would the world be without some elaborated conspiracy? Maybe a place of hope instead of distrust. 😮

We should dismiss the writers – they totally failed and made a fairy, well all fairies in their story beings with some very human inadequateness. These fairies are such a letdown, so not up to the task to be fairies. We want the all good, impeccable fairy tale fairies back! 😉

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[Myril]

@EvilQueen wrote:

myril – my thoughts exactly! When Regina said that line, I was shouting at her “Yeah, go you!” =D It brought back all the memories from the very first time we saw the Evil Queen! I’m really hoping this really is a nod towards her changing her ways!

It’s interesting how different her voice sounds. Amazing what acting Lana Parilla is doing, and especially what she is doing with her voice (and have a bit of a voice thing, maybe years of working on the phone did that to me)

@EvilQueen wrote:

On the other note – Emma brings tacos and says she’s relieved she doesn’t have to hunt for food any more – and Granny agrees with her. So my point is – won’t they all notice that Regina actually did them a favor with bringing them to Storybrooke and wouldn’t they rather stay here? It certainly seems safer and more comfortable than any FTL forest!

Love Granny for agreeing. Coolest granny ever.

Right, living in our world has sure some comfort. On the other hand shouldn’t forget, you have to pay for it, with money, normally (not sure how things are at the moment in Storybrooke). And some jobs suck so much that I would find hunting to get me some food and fighting or hiding from ogres not the worst option. Think there might be a few in Storybrooke who agree. 😉 (well, met a number of ogres in human disguise at work)

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[Myril]

I spend too much time staring on screens 🙄 😆

airing:
Once Upon a Time (of course)
The Good Wife
Bomb Girls
Arctic Air
Silent Witness
Elementary
Sherlock
Fringe (well, it will be over soon)
Haven
Warehouse 13
Continuum
Lost Girl
Game of Thrones (although I still don’t know, if I really like that show, but it’s epic)

old shows:
Twin Peaks
Picket Fences
The X-Files
MacGyver
Xena
Star Trek (all of it)
Stargate (all of it)
Battlestar Galactica (the new series)
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
Firefly
Farscape
Andromeda
Space Patrol Orion ( German SciFi from 1966, Raumpatrouille – Die phantastischen Abenteuer des Raumschiffes Orion)
Earth 2
Eureka
Sanctuary
Torchwood (Dr. Who I watch only occasionally though)
Charmed
Crossing Jordan
Cold Case
Lie To Me
The Killing (maybe will have a 3rd season, maybe not)
Alcatraz (how could they cancel this show??!!??)

(watched a couple of more shows, but these are the once I still fancy)

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[Myril]

@Phee wrote:

Wonder, why everybody thinks, this episode will have a Cora background story line. Did I miss something? What is the source for that?

That was speculation based on Rose McGowan’s casting for YoungCora, but now that we have the title for ep16, it’s probably safe to say that that will be the ep Rose is in, with Cora’s backstory, and this ep won’t have anything to do with Cora after all.

Thanks. Thought it was that,but one never knows, could have been more another spoiler out there,

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[Myril]

Regina: Sorry, I’m late.

😆
Love the writers for these little things.
(Evil Queen says the same line when she bursts in on the wedding in the pilot)

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[Myril]

Pretty much any writer on the shows I’ve watched liked to toy with episode titles, seldom giving away in any straight way what’s happening in the episode. And a number seem to love to get inspiration for titles from music or literature. So, not sure yet, if there will be a dead queen in this episode at all. But one never knows with these guys here.

So, yup: The Queen is dead. Long lives the queen.

And while thinking about the title am listening to the song of The Smiths, The Queen is dead… (whose song How soon Is Now was used in a covered version as title song for the series Charmed by the way)

Very much doubt they would kill off Cora at this point of the season, if they ever do it, it’s more season finale material (and no, I am not saying, they should kill her, nor is this any spoiler, it’s an opinion, to be clear about it). I mean, they kinda already tried to kill her once this season, or Regina did, so if they successfully do it I expect some spectacle of them, and big, huge spectacular is something for season finals.

Hannah97‘s idea for a story has something, although sounds too much for just one episode. Would think, that Cora took terrible revenge if any man would have done something like that to her (well, could explain the potion which made King Georg’s wife infertile). But it would mean, Regina is King Georg’s daughter – and that doesn’t sit right with me (but make Henry’s familie tree a bit more complicate)

So, maybe, if there is any dead queen in the episode, might be Snow’s mother. Or Aurora’s – hmmm, she got the best of Maleficent, didn’t sound to me like she’s dead, or at least wasn’t killed. On the other hand Aurora hasn’t ask for her mother, or anyone else from her family, makes one wonder.

Wonder, why everybody thinks, this episode will have a Cora background story line. Did I miss something? What is the source for that?

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