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@Jbwood5 wrote:

To never know with this show…. They may find a way to the him back to his normal age to get his memory back.

In the Crocodile, Rumple said he could spin the clock forward. And he’d better, if he wants to find out what’s going on and avoid getting tasered.

For the record, I’m angry at August’s write-off too. They spent so much time setting up his connections in Storybrooke…with his father, with Emma, with Henry, with Ruby, with Neal. So much lost potential. >:( I freaking miss him. Not gonna lie.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Phee wrote:

Not just his role in breaking Neal and Emma up, but also a resolution of how he left her as a baby. They should have shown Emma acknowledging that she now believes, and that he played a role in that, and shown her understanding where he’d come from and why he ran away and left her. They had the makings of a strong friendship if they’d let them work through all of that. Now it’s wasted potential and dropped threads of character development.

I agree 100%. This could have been a really fantastic moment for Emma. She could have told August that even though she had a really rough life, him leaving her lead to her son and being reunited with her family, and believing that she is the savior which saved everyone! There was so much more they needed to do with that scene.

Just…completely agree. August was so neatly tied to the key players…to Emma, Henry, Bae, Blue Fairy, Mr. Gold. All that careful story-building…wasted. Utterly wasted.

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Someone in another forum brought up a theory about the “steep price” August is asked to pay in exchange for a cure that will stop or slow down his transformation. They said it might be money. Namely, Neal/Emma’s $20000. ^It could be a pay-off in the photo above. Who knows?

So, I was under the impression that August just burned all this money while living and hiding away in Phuket. But it would be clever trick of the writers if they just lead us to believe that. I mean, Pinocchio = untrustworthy = money gone, right? 😆

But could there be a chance that August kept some of that money? And was planning to, I dunno, give it back to Emma one day after the curse broke? Could be a unexpected twist.

I think it would be sad if he was asked to give most of it up in exchange for being human – the complete opposite of being “selfless, brave, and true” like the BF told him to be.

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@AntBee wrote:

I was just wondering though if Tamara was connected to the mysterious magical man or not because maybe the price that August has to pay is something about making sure that Emma and Nealfire stay apart. Just throwing it out there.

I wonder if it is something like that. I mean, what “steep price” could August be asked to pay?

So maybe that’s what we’ll see. I was wondering about “the dragon” and the Asian influences in the previews (like with the signage on the street and in the hospital, etc.). Could this be Once’s version of Phuket?

Here’s how I’m thinking the episode will go so far:

August feels pain in Phuket –> tries to get treated –> realizes he’s turning to wood, escapes from the hospital –> meets “the dragon” who offers him a cure at a steep price (I’m assuming August won’t know what the price is exactly..maybe it’s vague, like something to do with a friend’s happiness or love or whatever) –> August selfishly takes the cure(??) –> gets to New York –> tells Neal he’s going to break the curse and everything will be fine –> August rides off into the distance.

And boom: Tamara meets Neal. Price paid.

So, obviously I’m making up the Tamara connection. ( 😆 forgive me, I see Swanfire in everything. lol.) But the rest is a bit more plausible, I think. The whole timing with Tamara meeting Neal just after August leaves for Storybrooke just seems like a HUGE coincidence to me.

On a related note: I still belong to the group of speculators who think August is the “boy” prophesized in Rumple’s undoing. Especially since August turns into a boy this episode. From the previews we saw, er, heard that August confronts someone (Tamara???) about planning to “take magic from Storybrooke”. If August is somehow responsible for her meeting Neal and getting to SB, maybe that’s how the prophesy unfolds?

ETA: Also, one of the random things I hope they’ll show in this episode is August’s reaction to Neal’s engagement (not to Emma!). It sounds obvious that they would show that..but so far we’re missing Regina’s reaction to Neal/Rumplestiltskin’s son and his appearance in Henry’s life… and that seems pretty unrealistic to me. Although she did just lose a mother, so maybe she’s distracted.

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Hey guys ~

Have you seen the Canadian promo? So, at the end, someone says “Whatever it is you have, you deserve your fate.” (the vid cuts to August on the ground screaming)

Is it Tamara who’s saying that line? Does anyone know?

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Favorite moment:

The Greg reveal, where he sits down in the car and grasps the little keychain. I dunno, guys, but the whole Owen storyline was really interesting to me. 😀 In terms of child characters on this show, I like how Owen was NOT a little angel like Bae or Grace or even Pinocchio from Season 1. He was bratty, and stubborn, and troubled, all at once. And when those scenes got emotionally heavy near the end – that child actor did a great job. I doubt we will, but I REALLY want to see more of him!

Least favorite moment:

Another kid: Henry. To be honest, I’m starting to dislike him. I think it’s because it seems like he has this ideal about what his parents and grandparents should be like. He expects them to be heroes and storybook characters, and when they mess up (because they are human) he punishes them…shuns them or ignores them and makes them feel awful. To me that’s not a healthy reaction from a child. I think he just has to learn the lesson that all kids learn: parents/guardians aren’t perfect. And considering that Regina destroyed the curse, and Emma told him the truth about Snow & Cora, I think he should stop being so…I dunno. Petulant?

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WOW. Drama. 😥

I had no idea the scene would be that serious from the photos.

So, I’m just going to forget the actual context and just say: RUMBELLEFIRE!

The adorable Gold family. (Why can’t we just have this Adam and Eddy? Sheesh.)

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Jane Espenson (the same writer for “The Return”, “Skin Deep”, “Desperate Souls”) really did an amazing job. I wish she could write every episode. LOL.

Fav:
– Surprising, because I wasn’t expecting it, but the father and son moment. Rumple extends his hand towards his son, and Bae grabs it. Kind of like a reversal of the whole green portal fiasco, as someone pointed out. I teared up.

Least fav:
– Nealfire and Henry on the ship. Why? Because it was too darn short. It was barely a scene and I really wished there had been more to it, so I was disappointed.

But it was hands-down my favourite episode of the season. It was just so packed with Snow’s character development (and the twist with her manipulative side), the Rumple and Cora backstory, the tension between Neal and Emma, the Rumple and Belle conversation, and the Regina and happy!Cora moment…but at the same time it was well-paced and gave us a lot of quieter, emotional scenes. LOVED IT.

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Thanks for that! I know Cora said it in the episode, but there was some confusion as to what exactly happened between her and Rumple before she ripped her heart out.

I have to say I’m relieved, because now we don’t have to worry about theorizing Regina’s parentage. That would have been AWFUL.

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@tiara_rose wrote:

I goes with Rumplesgirl. I think she was so full of hate that she has choose to cut her off of her last feelings to never has to kneel before someone. If Cora had run away wih Rumple I think then they both would get to the point of True Love or killing each other. I am not quite sure about that.

I think Cora’s confession at the end suggests that they could’ve have loved each other (this is what I think at least)…Her and Rumple just seemed to understand each other so much, having been ostracized and ridiculed by others when they were weak.

Can you imagine how it could have gone? 😕 They would have had a child together, cast the curse together…ruled Storybrooke together…it’s an interesting AU to think about. But I’m still happy Rumbelle happened, lol. 😆

Poor Nealfire. Cora almost became his stepmom.

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