[nealfanforever]

This just occurred to me earlier tonight. It’s about Regina learning magic in the Enchanted Forest. Okay, so following Regina’s timeline thus far, from season one: The Stable Boy (1×18) – Daniel dies. Regina has to marry Leopold. Snow is 11. We Are Both (2×02) – Regina expels Cora to Wonderland, begins learning magic under Rumple. Snow is still young. Snow is 11/maybe 12. Quite the Common Fairy (3×03) – Regina is still taking lessons from Rumple but is getting annoyed about it and wants options. Snow is still young. (11/12). The Doctor (2×05) – Regina is struggling learning magic. We find out what’s keeping her back is letting go of Daniel. By the end of the episode, Regina is full on Evil Queen mode. (Remember this, because it’s important when you consider The Doctor picks up after ‘We Are Both’). Enter the Dragon (4×14) — This is where is gets weird. Because at this point in the timeline, Snow is already an adult. Aurora is an adult and we know Aurora was put under the sleeping curse prior to the casting of Regina’s curse. So, this is maybe a year or two before the events of the pilot. But this is my issue, why is Regina still struggling with magic by this point if she already became a pro in “The Doctor” (2×05)? It doesn’t make any sense for Regina to still be struggling with magic, especially when you consider it’s close to the casting of the Dark Curse? I’m not crazy, right? Here’s something else to consider. What comes after 4×14. 1.12 – Skin Deep – This is at least a year before the curse. Rumple expels Belle from the Dark Castle. (Regina wears black when she visits Rumple; no more innocent girl look from The Stable Boy). 1.14 – Dreamy – Belle meets Dreamy and she encourages him to be with Nova. (Dreamy is a year old at this point). 2.11 – The Outsider – The day after meeting Dreamy, Belle learns about the hunting party wanting to kill the yaoguai. Regina captures Belle. Philip is the yaoguai. 1.02 – The Thing You Love The Most – Regina steals back the Dark Curse from Mal because the sleeping curse failed. (Charming broke it in “A Land Without Magic,” 1×22). I also find that Regina’s wardrobe is not consistent going forward. By 4×14, Regina should have been as gothic looking as Mal.

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Great observations! I believe things are somehow shifting or have shifted or have shattered.  The same observations you are seeing with Regina are also evident in long haired David’s story with Anna vs The Shepherd.  I believe we either have the same people shifting through A.U. or we have several A. U.’s going at the same time.  I think things are about to get very interesting and I think it has been planned from the beginning.  The writers have said that by the end of this season we will go back and look at everything differently.  I am really looking forward to this next set of shows.  There is a saying, “one action…one million consequences…and I’m not sure who did the action but I think it is going to be something we never suspected.  I think it may even be possible that we will find out that somehow the Hero’s actions were the catalyst for the creation of the Villains.

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Chances are we are seeing the same path, gazebo, cliff face etc for budgetting reasons. However, I am open to the idea that it is the same place but different dimensions…different versions of the same place.

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Thanks onceaholic…I drew out the comparable river tracks which follow the same lines as the shallows.  This is CGI so I do think it is purposeful.  I guess time will tell. I’m looking forward to the next set of episodes.

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A little closer view of the two wedding pictures from the book.

Lots of grey hair -David’s mother in White Out – which is before David learns to sword fight

Mostly brown hair with a little grey  – David’s mother in The Shepherd – which is after David learns to sword fight and has moved in with the King.

 

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A few more pictures….David and his mother’s cottage compare The Shepherd and White Out.

David and Snow’s wedding…pictures from Henry’s book.  David’s belt is different, the pattern of his shirt, the background of the picture as well as Snow has lipstick in one and no lipstick in the other.

The promo picture from Season 2….with the crooked wall that follows the shape of all the landscapes.  Some landscapes are eroded but they are all the same.

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This is literally too ridiculous for me to insult. Yes, some sets are used multiple times but that’s just because of budgets (For example, The King’s castle in “The Price of Gold”, King Xavier’s castle in “The Miller’s Daughter” and Prince Eric’s castle in “Ariel” as well as various on location places) but this whole ‘Different Dimensions’ / ‘Different Times’ theory is non-sense. Pretty much every character has interacted with each other in some way during a flashback at some point. And as for that gazebo part, Aurora was still sleeping whilst Snow and Charming were getting married. So she would have been sleeping right in the center of the wedding. In Season 2 we actually see both of these locations. Aurora wakes up and then a few episodes later Snow, Emma, Mulan, Aurora and Lancelot / Cora went back to the Royal Castle to try to use the wardrobe.

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I am not talking about sets…most sets are green screen and can be anything they want.  I am talking about the big picture.

The landscapes are all the same and  follow a similar mountainous profile and lake-bed pattern.  The mountain profile is similar to the one from Lost. We had a hint at these duplicated realms back in the promo picture for Season 2 (the wall).  We also had a hint when Henry was talking to Regina after he got his memory back.  He told her there was an apple tree just like hers in New York’s Central Park and he told her he had gotten  good at math…not Stephen-Hawking (known for his quantum cosmology theories) but pretty good.  The writers have said they are creating a universe.  Another hint was when Rumple dropped his straw doll off the cliff and then the straw doll fell back down on him from the sky.  That is exactly how a torus works…and yes,  this is how a train can be in Storybrooke…the world is in a loop….expanding and contracting.  The expanding and contracting also causes size changes.  It was so funny seeing Aurora in those gloves that were too big for her..also Snow and Charming, their hands were smaller than the prints. Even in the Secrets of Storybrooke, Lana talked about ill fitting clothes…contracting universe which then loops around and expands.

Aurora and Snow are not in the same Gazebo…but they are in the same Gazebo spot in two different dimensions.  Time works different in Wonderland…Alice falls down a hole yet crawls up a hole.  Have you noticed the episodes where it starts off upside down and then does a flip right side up.  Oz comes to mind as I specifically remember it happened there.  This again is a quantum universe loop….constantly renewing itself.

The writers have never given us a timeline.  We have created it ourselves.  The Storybrooke timeline seems to be linear but I believe we will find that we made many assumptions as to the timeline in the Enchanted Forest as well as other realms.   We knew the timeline in the Enchanted Forest was mixed up from episode to episode but we assumed that within each episode it was constant…or at least we could splice it all together in somewhat of a timeline.  I think we are going to find that this is not the case and I’m surprised we didn’t see it earlier..once you change the perspective it is easy to see when looking at each episode.  A good example of that is David and his mother.  Compare their story in The Shepherd and then look at the story in White Out..the one where David has long hair and Anna teaches him to sword fight.  The cottages are not the same.  We assumed White Out came before The Shepherd…because in The Shepherd David could fight and in White Out he learned from Anna.  Go back and watch them.  The cottages are different.  In the one with Anna the cottage is much larger…two rooms not just one room.  David’s mother has a lot of grey hair…David’s hair is obviously long.  Now look at The Shepherd.  The cottage is very small…no extra room.  David’s mother has a lot of brown hair with some grey but not that much.  Something is happening and I believe it is multiple versions of the same story.

Jane Espenson gave an interview several years ago about Snow and Emma falling through the hat  landing back in the Enchanted Forest or at least what was left of it. http://www.tvguide.com/news/once-upon-time-espenson-season2-spoilers-1054260/  She said that it reminded her of cinder Earth in Battlestar Galactica.  Also think the ending of Planet of the Apes when they are trying to get back to earth only to find out that they are on earth and the Statue of Liberty is half buried in the sand on the beach.  I’m not sure how it is shifting…whether it is the realms or the people but it is shifting.

We also have geometrical patterns common to 4th Dimension Space on the floor of the gazebos as well as many other places.  Many times we will see the same pattern increasing in complexity.  I’m so surprised I didn’t see it sooner.

All the big picture landscape settings match…even Wonderland and Oz.  We have some sort of  multiple Alternate Universes all operating in the same setting but in different dimensions/times in an infinite universe.  They could have come up with their own concept or used a concept universe like a torus (which looks like a donut continually turning in and reforming) or a tesseract which is a connected cube inside a cube that constantly renews itself.  I’ll include some links at the end of my response.  They are both rather remarkable concepts.  This is the whole hat thing…Jefferson’s hat…the doors…and now the sorcerer’s hat which looks to hold an entire universe.

Amazing Torus universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKtevjrZOGs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

An 8 cell tesseract – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract#/media/File:8-cell-simple.gif

 

 

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Kranen, you gave me my laugh for the day. I give you props for sticking with your theory, but to play devil’s advocate you’re putting a lot of foresight and faith in the writers’ abilities. Something a lot of us have lost in the past year. If this were a J.K. Rowling novel I’d say yes, definitely it all ties in, but this is a tv series and the showrunners aren’t really that intelligent or even care about their story to tie everything together that far into the future. These are guys who said “no time travel” yet we had time traveling. Supposedly “dead is dead” unless you’re magical, or it isn’t your time, or …. I really can’t see them planting someone in a random background to use a year and a half to two years later. I like your tenacity, though.

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Thanks Josephine…Kranen gave me a laugh too and I think the head banging Squidward was very appropriate seeing that we have Ursela’s backstory coming up.

I understand that many people are frustrated and feel that the writers are just throwing spitballs up against the wall to see what sticks but, I do believe that they have had an arc planned from the beginning.  I haven’t done a post on why I believe there are embedded clues…just haven’t had time but I will try to do it later tonight.  I’m getting ready to grill fajitas right now.  There is something that points very specifically to embedded clues and hopefully I will be able to get to it tonight.  Thanks for the response…and here’s hoping the writers surprise everyone. ~ NealfanForever

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Just in case you are not convinced here is a screenshot of the guards walking directly behind the carriage.  In Snow Falls their capes are very long.  In Snow Drifts their capes are much shorter.  Both of these shots are before Snow breaks the branch.  Something has changed.  No one makes this many errors on footage that they could have reused.  Different placement of pouch, different seat covering, different position of guards and beard, and different cape length.  Something has happened before Snow broke the branch.  If these things could have changed so drastically then it is possible Alice was in the bar…or someone using a glamour spell to look like Alice.  Sophie Lowe being in the background may be a coincidence… but with all the other changes it a possibility.

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See the previous post for difference in the pouch position and interior of the carriage.  The drivers have also changed. See the pictures for differences.  Again, these are shots that did not need to be taken again.  They could have used the exact same footage.  They didn’t and I am sure it was for a reason.  Something has changed.

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Here are the differences that I mentioned in the above post.  Things change in Snow Drifts before Emma ever breaks the stick.  Here is a screenshot of the carriage seat on Snow Falls.  It is wrinkled and faded.  The insert is the seat on Snow Drifts.  The seat is new and smooth.  The pouch is also set down in a different spot.  Both of these shots occurred at the same time in the dialogue and they both were right after David placed the couch on the cushion to get out and check to see what was going on.

There was not a reason to shoot this portion again.

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@nealfanforever, It’s possible that Sophie Lowe may have been in Skin Deep but I don’t think it was for Alice. Sometimes shows reuse minor actors and give them a new bigger role later on in time. For example, in Doctor Who, in the episode Fires of Pompeii, Karen Gillan and Peter Capaldi both guested in that episode. Karen Gillan especially had a minor role. A few years later, Karen Gillan was cast as Amy Pond, the Doctor’s new companion. Peter Capaldi is currently the 12th Doctor. This show has a habit of reusing its actors.

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Thanks for the information.  You may be correct.

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