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Thanks Watcher. We will have to see how they define the wand. Technically it does not say that the wand has to be used by the same person who used it before. The definition simply says if the magic has been wielded. That is kind of like sword language. The same sword can be wielded by many different people. Jafar wielded the love me magic…the wand says that if the love me magic has been wielded then the wand can recreate that magic. It does not say that the same person has to be the wielder. But you are correct…they kept Jafar alive for a reason. That wand could be a huge temptation to a lot of hurting people. Fix it..fix it..fix it..fix it..
If Neal is resurrected I don’t think Neal will be the thing that comes up from the grave. I think Baelfire will come back and I don’t think it will be the same actor. I think he will be something dark. My brain keeps going to a strange scenario..and Neal or even Henry becomes the first dark one. I could see them doing this because of the conversation that Emma and Rumple had before she went through the portal. Then we have a real twisted ball of string to unravel. In the end they will resolve it in a way that is true to the heart of the Baelfire we know and love. I trust the writers and their desire to tell a tale of redemption.
I’m headed off to our cabin so I will leave it for you guys to discuss. I’m not sure about where they are going…but I am pretty sure that wand is going to be used by someone.
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The wand that brought Emma back….if staying true to semantics and the writers are huge when it comes to semantics, the wand should be able to recreate any magic that has ever been wielded. Has magic been wielded that brought someone back from the dead? Yes. Has magic been wielded that made someone love someone else? Yes. Has magic been wielded that allowed someone to change the past? Yes. The wand should be able to recreate that magic whether or not the laws of magic were restored.
Also you seem to be suggesting that this wand can do X when wands have never been proved to do X. You say “it should” be able to do these things yet we’ve never seen a wands do those things.
When someone was brought back from the dead it was because the laws, in WL, were broken.
Same with making someone love someone and changing the past. None of this required a wand.
The wand has been proven to do X. Emma did not need Regina’s heart, Rumple’s brain, Charming’s courage and Baby Charming to open a time portal. All she needed was the wand which recreated the magic of Zelena’s Time Travel. Time travel is one of the three laws of magic that cannot be broken, yet, the wand was able to recreate the magic of time travel due to the one condition of the wand…that time travel magic had already been used.
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You are right Rumple’s Girl. None of those things required a wand. The wand Emma used is special because its special purpose was defined by Rumple. It is used to recreate any magic that has ever been wielded…any magic whether or not that magic needed a wand is immaterial. This wand is used to recreate that magic.
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Remember when Henry went down to Regina’s vault? If Rumple has a bloodlock on his vault, or cabinet, or safe well Henry will be able to open it. I think Henry is going to get the wand and bring Neal back. Emma and Rumple were talking about Neal right before she returned to her normal time. She was telling Rumple he had to drink the potion and forget the details of the future and let Neal die a hero. She told him he might make it worse. So, we have Rumple with the temptation of Zelena…his son alive in the past and the temptation to travel back and not ever abandon him to begin with. This could happen. We also have Henry (who may or may not have magic) who if he has magic could be tempted to bring Neal back to the present. I think they have laid a good foundation for this being a plausible story.
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I should have been more clear so thanks for the details Watcher. The wand that has the power to recreate any magic ever wielded….the one Emma used to open the time portal…that is the wand that I am talking about. The Wonderland and OUAT stories overlap with Will Scarlet and Robin Hood. It is interesting that they introduced Robin Hood with a wand story and that Will Scarlet will be joining OUAT.
The wand that brought Emma back….if staying true to semantics and the writers are huge when it comes to semantics, the wand should be able to recreate any magic that has ever been wielded. Has magic been wielded that brought someone back from the dead? Yes. Has magic been wielded that made someone love someone else? Yes. Has magic been wielded that allowed someone to change the past? Yes. The wand should be able to recreate that magic whether or not the laws of magic were restored.
Time will tell but I think someone is going to use that wand. I think that someone might be Henry and I think he might use it to bring back his father.
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It’s also been said in a few interviews with Adam & Eddy that major plot lines from Wonderland wouldn’t be carried over to the parent show. They made Wonderland as a show for non Once viewers to be able to jump in, while not all Once viewers watched Wonderland. Like RumplesGirl said, the laws of magic are no longer broken anyway. That was made clear when Jafar’s magic law breaking actions were reversed, including the people he resurrected.
The laws were unbroken…that is correct. They said that plot lines would not carry over. It comes down to semantics. Plot lines can mean different things. You have to look at what does intersect with Once Upon a Time and Once Upon a Time Wonderland. What intersects is the wand, Will Scarlet and Robin Hood. The Rabbit and Will Scarlet were in Storybrooke at the beginning of OUATW. Alice and Cyrus came to Storybrooke to get back the Knave’s heart. Robin Hood is in an episode of OUATW. Robin Hood stole the wand from Rumple in OUAT episode. The theft is alluded to in a Wonderland episode, so the wand has already connected both stories.
Even though the laws of magic were returned to normal that is not relevant to the description of the wands actions. The wand is described as having the ability to recreate any magic that has ever been wielded. Because that magic was wielded…it can be recreated. Emma did not have to break the magic law of time travel. All she had to do was use the wand to return.
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What if Cora magically changed the woman’s voice to match hers. I think that it is at least a possibility. One thing Regina said about her mom, “What can’t she do!”
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I’m having a little computer trouble tonight so I’m not sure if my other post went through. I went and double checked the credits listed at the end of the Hat Trick episode and they have Jennifer Koenig listed as playing the Queen of Hearts. I did find an article where the writers said that Barbara Hershey voiced the Queen of Hearts….and that hug that she gives Anastasia after Anna wields the fire magic…her face looks sober and determined…not motherly.
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I just checked the credits on Netflix and they show Jennifer Koenig listed as Queen of Hearts.
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