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IDEA: Zelena is pregnant. But she is not the mother. Nor is Regina. MARIAN is the mother. When Zelena (and regina in the original timeline) killed Marian, maybe she was pregnant. So the baby, which is indeed not a lie, is a real baby but the true child of Marian/Robin. Whether or not that makes the situation worse or better….Idk. But its possible. I like the idea of Zelena taking Regina’s child moreso than the one I just said but still.
That is a good theory but I don’t think it is possible because of the glamour spell. For the longest time I thought that when Cora, Regina etc changed to look like someone else it was shapeshifting but when I tweeted Jane Espenson she took some time to explain glamour spells to me. She indicated that there had not been any shapeshifting on Once and that it had all been glamour spells. She explained that when it is a glamour spell the person does not really change form it just looks that way to other people. By the time we finished tweeting my head was spinning but I got a clearer picture. In Zelena’s case, her form does not change so she would have her own eggs. The glamour spell works on the people who see you…not changing your form. I appreciated Jane taking the time to explain because I am pretty sure I never would have figured that out.
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It would be a fantastic and unexpected twist.
I think you are on to something. But if that is indeed the case…
lol! All I can think of is Ruby telling Snow…someone has been stealing our eggs. lol!
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I think if Zelena is really pregnant it is with a stolen baby… or to be more exact…a stolen preborn baby.
When Robin and Regina were together they made it clear they were together more than one time in one night. This is so similar to what happened with Cora and fake Prince Jonathan…they were together more than one time in one night. That is the night Cora conceived Zelena. So many people speculated that Regina would be pregnant as a result of that night.
What if Regina did become pregnant and before she realized she was pregnant Zelena ( posing as newly reawakened Marian) stole her preborn child somehow magically transplanting the baby from Regina to Zelena. We know Zelena has a propensity for baby stealing. It would be a fantastic and unexpected twist.
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If the pregnancy is fake, will Zelena steal a baby when it comes time to deliver?
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out the Thief Lord
I am not familiar with Thief Lord but it sounds like a similar concept. Also, I forgot to add that the evil man’s name is Mr. Dark.
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In the Disney movie, Something Wicked This Way Comes, it is an evil man who comes to town and gives people restoration to their broken stories or gives them a happy ending. Of course, in order to get that happy ending they had to sell their soul to the Devil. I just saw the movie for the first time and it is definitely a different type of Disney movie. When the people get their happy ending it brings tragedy. An old woman becomes young again but she becomes blind. A man has his arm and leg restored but he is turned back into a boy, a man won the lottery and then disappears, and there is a drowning story. I found that interesting in light of the multiple drowning references on Once and Wonderland. There is a merry-go-round that when ridden backwards turns back time for the rider…and if it is ridden forewards for too long it will kill. There is an interesting scene where the evil man begins tearing pages out of a book. Each page represents a year gone from another man’s life.
I would be interested in hearing others thoughts on possible parallels or inspiration that might connect Once and this movie. There is a boy in the movie whose last name is Nightshade…which reminded me of “Dreamshade” and “Nightroot.” All in all a very interesting movie.
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I think there might be a change in story line at the end of the season. Perhaps some of what has been posted are remnants of the original storyline, and the one they are on (Regina turning evil) is the wrong one?
It would be an interesting twist if these parallels are remnants ( good descriptive word) of an original storyline. I’m looking forward to the next episodes.
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I’m thinking the twist at the end of the season is going to be the heroes and the villains swap places. That would mean Regina and Robin Hood take the place of Snow White and Prince Charming. However, whether that is the result of the Author tampering with the current story or simply reverting it back to the way it always should’ve been is the main question. Was page 23 something that actually happened but was then erased? Or is page 23 just an alternate reality, a what-might-have-been if Regina hadn’t chickened out of meeting Robin in the tavern? I think we will find out the answer to that question next week, based in the promo.
That is the million dollar question….was page 23 something that happened or is it just an alternate reality. If it really happened I think Cora pulled a fast one on Regina (think Wonderland’s Will and Anastasia)…and Regina was so devastated and heart broken she, like Snow White did in Heart of Darkness, erased her memories. Regina was so heart broken when Henry was in New York she wanted to go into a sleeping curse and when Henry was a baby she partially erased her memory so that she would not worry about Henry’s birth mother being found on the day Storybrooke was created. Of course someone else could have erased her memories…and it is likely she thought there was no hope of finding Robin. Maybe a Romeo and Juliet type story where they both believe the other is dead. Of course the writers could go a different way but there is a lot of foreshadowing in the Rumple Belle story with Rumple thinking she was dead and also in the Robin Hood Marian story where he thought Marian was dead.
There is an interesting parallel scene between Snow White in season 1’s “Heart of Darkness” and Regina in season 4’s “Fall.” (I’ve got a photo comparison of the screen shots attached to the post)
In Snow’s scene it opens on her with the red ribbon in her hair…yellow in her dress…and also the contrast of black and white.
Regina’s scene opens in her black and white office with very obvious yellow lights and red apples in the foreground.
We then see a parallel scene where both Snow and Regina see the blue bird (Regina’s being a picture on the wall), they gaze at it and lift their hand, they attempt to destroy the blue bird, and the they end the scene with a look of satisfaction.
Of course the Snow White scene is when she drank the potion to forget Charming…thus turning her into Snarky, Sneaky, Evil Snow. She goes to kill the queen, strips a guard naked, smashes his knee…and he is in such bad shape Charming thinks the Evil Queen did it. One sip of that potion turned Snow dark. It is interesting that it is in this scene and only this scene where we see Snow in more tradition Disney costuming, red ribbon in hair and yellow in dress…and she is humming the Disney song. We don’t have Bandit Snow…we have Evil Snow…Disney Princess. Foreshadowing about Regina’s story??? Aftershadowing???…I guess we will have to wait and see.
We do have one other hint that Regina may be the original Snow White. In the movie, Snow White says this line when thinking about her encounter with Prince Charming, “Want to know a secret…promise not to tell…” It was Regina who first asked someone to keep a secret and to promise not to tell…when she told Snow of her love for Daniel. It is on Regina where we see “Snow White Sleeves” for the very first time. After Snow is with Regina…Regina brushing Snow’s hair…we see Snow in similar sleeves…but a blue dress…not the traditional Disney costume.
So the million dollar question is what you put in your post…alternate reality or a what could have been story. Snow met Regina when she was 10. If Regina was the same age as Emma was when she met 10 year old Henry, it would put her at about 28. That provides Regina with a ten year window before meeting Snow, that could be a blank slate with love or loves other than Daniel. Either way, I have a feeling something epic is about to happen.
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1. Leopold is Snow’s father. Snow being Regina’s sister would make the Regina/Leopold pairing even more messed up.
We believe Leopold to be Snow’s father, just like people believed King George was David’s father or for that matter, James’ father, but in truth he was not. There are many adopted children who are not told they are adopted and many families who do not disclose that adoption. Another possibility is a baby switch (ABC has a Switched at Birth series and ironically one of the main characters is named Regina). I’ve never quite trusted Johanna. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone like her could have switched babies on Eva. There are many possibilities. We’ve also had the example of Cora planning on passing off one mans baby (fake Prince Jonathan) as another man’s baby…ironically that would be Prince Leopold. Wouldn’t it be ironic if fate proved true and even though Cora’s plan fell through and Zelena was not raised as Leopold’s baby…Snow was raised instead. Perhaps Leopold was fated to raise another man’s child. There is a term for that…the term is cuckold. To be a cuckold is to unwittingly investing parental effort into offspring that is not your own. The symbol for this is horns (antlers). Have you ever noticed how many antlers are on this show. There are antlers over the door of Regina’s family vault.
If Leopold is in fact Snow’s biological father then I do not believe Regina would be Snow’s mother. That is just too icky for this show.
2. Cora and Henry Sr are Regina’s parents. This is not the case..
We assume Cora and Henry Sr. are Regina’s parents, however, Cora was prepared to pass Zelena off as Prince Leopold’s child so it is not a stretch to think she could also do this to Henry Sr.
For Snow and Regina to be related, one of them would have to be Snow’s parent.
My crack theory is that Regina is Snow’s mother…thus Cora and Henry Sr. are irrelevant, as anyone could be Regina’s parent and Regina still be the mother of Snow. If however, Regina and Snow are sisters then you are correct…they would have to share to at least one parent. This does not have to be Cora or Henry Sr. It simply has to be the same parent. We were told that Rumple knew Regina apart from Cora back when she was “portable.” This does seem to be a nod to Rumple knowing Regina as a baby and we know that he is a pawnbroker when it comes to babies.
3. Cora told dead Eva she was going to destroy her legacy by corrupting Snow’s heart.
Yes she did. This could be several possibilities.
1. Cora does not know that Snow is not Eva’s biological child. As K&H have said, adoptive parents are real parents…thus Snow would still be Eva’s legacy.
2. Cora does know that Snow is not Eva’s biological child. Granny raised Red. Perhaps Eva is in actuality Snow’s grandmother. You would have a mash-up worthy of a Shakespearean dramedy. Eva gives birth to Regina…perhaps before her marriage to Leopold or she pulls a Cora and intends to pass off another man’s child off as Leopold’s. Regina is somehow stolen or switched…and Cora, Eva’s arch nemesis ends up with her. Cora may know or she may not know. If she does know it would sure explain why she was so abusive. Poor Eva and Leopold go for years without a child…sad, sad, sad.
Meanwhile…fast forward and Regina is all grown up and she and Robin of Locksley have a baby that is either switched, stolen or given away….and that baby ends up with childless Eva…party!!!! So, unknown to Eva, she is raising her own granddaughter, who is biologically related to her but not to Leopold.
Sounds far fetched but Shakespeare wrote the book on stories like this. Irony, Irony, Irony….
4. Aurora’s mother is called Briar Rose which is a name Disney’s sleeping beauty went by.
Yes, she is called Briar Rose by her little adoptive aunt fairies in the Disney movie. The name given to her by her father and mother, King Stefan and Queen Leah, is Princess Aurora. So, we have the mother from the Disney movie named Aurora and we have the daughter from Once Upon a Time named Aurora. I don’t see it to be a big stretch if the same thing were true of Regina and Mary Margaret…Snow White the mother…Snow White the daughter.
5. Adam might not give spoilers but if your theory is wrong, he can deny it.
I have tweeted Adam in the past proposing this theory….his answer??? Crickets!!!!
Your theory, whilst interesting requires a lot of hoop jumping and suspension of disbelief. If your theory was true, it would’ve been mentioned in-show by now. We’re 4 seasons in, 5 possibly being the last, it’s too late to bring that into the show.
From Twitter March 19, 2015
Kyle Gillespie @Magnusxxn – “…In other words, Once timeline is full of inconsistencies and mistakes.
Adam Horowitz – “we plan things rather intricately. And do our best to stick to the plan.”
Also, K&H indicated that at the end of this season we will rewatch the entire series from a different perspective.
You’re convinced your theory is true which means you are looking for stuff to support it rather than the evidence actually being there.
Well…I called it a crack theory and used the word “if”…so no, I am not convinced it is true and I’m pretty sure that looking for supportive evidence is what we all do with theories…whether they are crack theories or regular theories. Although I can look for evidence…I cannot manufacture evidence. If things turn up that seem to support the theory then yeah! If not, I sure wouldn’t have created this post. lol.
One of the triplets in B&tB is pulling an evil regal sign. Does that mean that Disney always planned to do Once Upon a Time as far back as the early 90s? Hell no, it’s just a funny coincidence.
That is comparing apples to oranges. All evidence I’ve used to undergird this crack theory are from this current series…written by people who have said from the beginning they know how they want it to end. It is not a big leap for them to embed clues into the show throughout the seasons that make for a big reveal. If by some chance this crack theory proves to be true it would be inconsistent with their writing style to have omitted clues embedded throughout the series.
I think you’re stretching to find meaning in things that are for all intents and purposes are meaningless.
You are certainly welcome to your opinion regarding that. 🙂
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Regina isn’t Snow’s birth mother, there’s evidence in show to prove it.
What evidence? We did not see Eva give birth to Mary Margaret. In a show with lots of baby procuring it is possible Snow was procured for Eva.
There is also evidence to prove Regina is not Snow’s sister.
What evidence? Zelena snitched a sample of Regina’s blood which could have been used to open the lock.
Aurora not being the original sleeping beauty works because “Sleeping Beauty” is not name specific unlike Snow White.
In the Disney movie, Sleeping Beauty, the princess was named Aurora. K&H made it clear that Aurora was not “that” Aurora.
I think you’re stretching to be honest. If you really do believe in your theory though, why not tweet it to Adam?
Tweeting a crack theory would not yield any results because Adam doesn’t give spoilers.
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