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They have failed in every way because they seem to have no grasp of the human experience outside of their white, male view point and even that is written outside of reality in the stylized tropes of the past, the bad boy, the prince charming. It is just terrible. There is no excuse for any of it.
[adrotate group="5"]oh sorry, but the actress thinks we are idiots and doesnt want to return and work with us, and the same with Will actor, they dont want to return, but #nospoilers”
Sure, but this isn’t impossible to solve. Something to the effect of this: “Yes, we would have loved to pursue the Cinderella/Anastasia connection, but since Emma Rigby is very busy with other projects, we decided that this isn’t a storyline we can do justice to without her. But we are so thrilled that people remember and care about Ana’s story and we are so lucky to have such smart, attentive fans. Thank you all!”
Boom, done. Upholds the fans, upholds Emma Rigby no matter what she feels about A&E, addresses audience’s question, and doesn’t try to gaslight everyone.
Just added that one in
Sorry for not contributing a helpful reference (I don’t own OUATiW), but as moral support, this is what A&E’s reaction to the Anastasia question reminds me of:
Ugh. Toddlers.
To anyone who’s watching tomorrow, hug. Even if you’re not, you get a hug too.
I think that they think that everyone on twitter is a screaming fifteen year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt and can therefore be dismissed.
I think that’s exactly right. And the idea that the opinion of a 15 year old girl wearing a pink princess shirt is something to dismiss off hand is also really telling of the sorts of attitudes A&E hold. I think the other problem — and it’s hard to distinguish it from the audience thing — is that A&E are actually pretty bad writers. They don’t seem to be able to deal with moral ambiguity with any sort of nuance, and somewhere along the way they’ve stopped addressing the fact that most of their characters are deeply problematic. I think most of the truly thoughtful, engaged core audience you’re describing that the show has inspired to create a world of fan-made art and products around OUAT wouldn’t be as thoroughly disgusted if A&E allowed for that ambiguity to be front and center. This could have taken the form of a reflection on the characters — that all of them are deeply flawed and are battling their own demons, and that’s what this show is about. Or it could have been a core part of the plot: fairytales are by nature didactically moralistic because they are simplifications, but we are going to show the real complicated, gray area stuff that happens in reality. But instead we get this tedious pandering to ships, horrid plot, and a bunch of lies from two supposedly grown men, peppered with complete and utter inability to take criticism or even address head on the inconsistencies or failed promises of their story (re: Anastasia).
If I like the second episode as much, I’m tempted to start a thread on it so everyone can discuss.
I actually thought the second episode was, in some ways, even better than the premiere. So far what I like the most about that show is that it both seems to work with familiar stereotypes, and yet subvert them in really interesting and unexpected ways.
They don’t understand fandom or social media. They think that people talking about the show is good even if people find it extremely problematic. The majority of the actors are in their late 30s. I think there is a generational divide here.
I think it’s probably part generational, part ideological. This isn’t just about social media use, it’s about what people get upset about, and whether the show runners can actually take the criticism seriously without immediately getting defensive or dismissing the critique (which A&E can’t). It seems that A&E genuinely think that what they’re writing is “feminist” by virtue of having female protagonists, and giving them occasionally “sassy” dialogue lines. And get totally pissed off when their audience suggests that well, guys, maybe that’s not quite enough anymore.
This is off topic, but i also really liked Westworld. It was harsh, but a really interesting premise. Really good actors too.
I watched it too. I thought it was excellent! Definitely on the darker side, but I also thought the premise was interesting.
This is off topic, but i also really liked Westworld. It was harsh, but a really interesting premise. Really good actors too.
Yes! I just watched it — it’s really good + Ed Harris / Anthony Hopkins combo can’t be beat.
I’m disappointed in her and the showrunners. Emma used to be an empowered heroine who stood up for the weak and never took crap from anyone. *shakes head in dismay*
^^ x1000 this! I literally can’t even. I mean, I can understand that sentiment in relation to one’s children. Maybe in relation to one’s partner of 40 years. But, as a general rule, if someone you’ve been with for a hot minute makes you feel like the prospect of your death is only meaningful in relation to their well being, you’re either (a) a teenager in love for the first time, or (b) been psychologically brainwashed and likely involved with a narcissist. Just saying.
And on a different note, what in the everloving hell is JMo thinking? At least here in the US of A, our current political culture’s currently reveling in a pretty horrifically, disgustingly hostile attitude to women, their rights to their bodies, autonomy, and worth. So unless JMo has been living under a rock, that comment enters a very particular rhetorical moment, at least on this side of the pond. So for someone who is supposed to be playing an empowered female character, I find her statement to be irresponsible at best, and, at worst, gleefully embracing garden variety misogyny. There’s is not enough #headdesk in the world to capture how unimpressed I am with her, the show, and A&E.
