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I don’t know if it’s a lame excuse or if it’s that Emma doesn’t want to give voice (to anyone who might be listening) to seeking help from a professional shrink (which says quite a lot about the appalling mental health attitudes in our country which is why I’m glad that Hook is actually encouraging Emma and not going on the defensive about her getting help from someone who isn’t him, which is what I expected).
Everything you all said. Also, the looks that the rest of the town gives Belle (in particular Regina and Snow) are kind of depressing. It’s that “Oh, look, it’s the local mafia boss’s wife, what’s she doing in here?” I mean, she’s technically family for crying out loud. I actually thought Hook came out the least obnoxious of the “heroes” here — and that’s saying something. To me it just confirms that Belle is always going to be treated as a pariah, when she’s not being used to further one of our “heroes'” goals. What a sad state of affairs.
Also, what’s up with the dudes with the harpoons in the background? “Call me Ishmael?”
[adrotate group="5"]if is EQ, Rumple, Jafar, Aladdin, or any other person, they will not be thinking, oh, cant be them, bc they are all to small, nope, they would not even remenber that part and if they are asked, they will probably say that was a simple vision, so not the real thing.
Ok, I’m going to be the dissenting voice, I guess. If you look at that footage, this isn’t in fact a very tall actor/stunt double (I was joking about Clegane of course) — it’s some kind of special effect that makes the hooded figure inhumanly large. I agree with you that this is a vision, so the real fight might not take this shape, but even if the size of Emma’s opponent is scaled down for the real fight, the metaphorical meaning of this huge hooded figure killing her is about an enemy that’s “larger than life” — something that appears absolutely unsurmountable. This is what makes me think it’s some kind of meta-nemesis, not just another regular villain. Unless there’s something we don’t know about Jafar.
The reason I don’t think it’s either Rumple or Regina is because even if they’ve both been Emma’s antagonists at different points of the story, they have also always been her equals. There have been points where Emma had the upper hand, and vice versa, but all in all, this has always been a struggle between equals. Yes, there is a family and emotional connection with both characters, but the visual language of this scene is precisely not about familiarity: it’s about total otherness.Again, as a not so subtle visual metaphor, this seems to be about an enemy that’s augmented by whatever Emma profoundly fears, and lets face it, that’s not Rumple or EQ. She never really feared either of them, even when the odds were overwhelmingly against her, or they had the upper hand and she felt a sense of defeat
I very much doubt it’s Rumple or EQ, and I can’t see it being Jafar — they’re just too small. That hooded figure fighting Emma was suspiciously large. My money’s on Gregor Clegane.
Either that, or it’s more of a cosmic level antagonist (so not Rumple or Regina as we know them, but perhaps some sort of cumulative extract of everyone’s dark side.) Or it’s actually Emma fighting her own shadow self.
The red teleport smoke doesn’t make me immediately suspect Rumple. If anything, it makes me curious about what Rumple and Jafar might have in common.
Well you know, Belle and Hook might not be so bad. I’d be totally on board…if, say, Belle happens to backhand Hook across the face hard enough to knock him unconscious and then offers up an insincere apology about hormones or something. Yes, if that happens, I’ll ship them as my BroTP and name the ship Helle.
Helle FTW. At this point, Belle’s character is being redrawn so much to accommodate both Hook’s redemption arc and Rumple’s non-redemptive entrenched villain arc that I sincerely, legitimately, miss Lacey. Will drinking the split personality serum extract her? Because if so, please lets have that happen and let her go on a heart-breaking, high-heels, sequins and collateral damage rampage through the town. I would actually root for Rumple and Lacey at this point — the show’s butchered the Rumbelle dynamic enough that I can get on board with a Bonny and Clyde reinterpretation with a lot more ease than with whatever the heck they’re currently doing.
If he’s really not coming back to life then a multi-episode arc is just plain strange.
Haven’t they essentially posited that afterlife is another realm, but with a massively hostile visa regime?
Regina’s conversation with Snow. Did anyone else get major SQ vibes from when Regina’s monologue was overlaid on top of Emma struggling to contain her shaking hands?
Yup. I thought it was completely straightforwardly, unapologetically SQ.
Clearly, Emma and Regina are the stars of the show. They won’t really die. Regina “dying” at the hands of her own evil side might be the loophole for Emma to escape the doomed fate of all saviors that Mr. Hyde spoke of to Emma. The former villain dying to save the savior out of love seems like Emma’s way to escape her otherwise all-but-certain downfall.
This makes a lot of sense to me. And it’s mirroring Emma taking on the darkness for Regina the last time around.
I just need someone to explain why Morfetus could wake Belle with TLK in a dream world when Snow couldn’t wake Charming with TLK in the Burning Room in S2…
This. My theory is that Morpheus/Morfetus has control over the dreamworld, and makes the claim that it’s TLK when it isn’t (but looks like it is).
Are we really supposed to believe that Hyde knew Emma had been in jail because of her caged look? I just thought that was a bit too convenient for the sake of plot.
I took this to be a nod to some of the narrative conventions of the literary genres they’re drawing on (think Sherlock Holmes and abductive reasoning).
I’ll have a go at it.
This was an Ok episode, and while individual scenes were done well, i felt like the final product didn’t come together and was more of a weird montage than a holistic story. Maybe 6/10?
Liked:
The scenes between Hyde and Emma were well done, and well-written. Also, the actor who plays Hyde has kind of an amazing voice. Just me?
I didn’t groan at Snowing for once. And I chuckled at Snow’s “Amateurs…”
I liked the dirigible. I can do without Jekyll, whom I just find grating, but the design of the blimp was neat.
Mixed:
While it is great to see Rumple and Belle get some screen time, that whole Morfetus story is way too Freudian for my taste. Primordial hate of the father in utero, while waking up mom with TLK?
This story also depends on so much retcon of the original portrayal of the Belle/Rumple dynamic because Belle has to ally with son against Rumple, and for that to happen, she needs to re-experience her relationship with Rumple as abusive from the start. But this wasn’t the way the relationship was written, at least not in the beginning. Meh. This thing’s a mess, I don’t see how they can fix it, so I am assuming that some form of symbolic or actual parricide is the only resolution. I miss Neal.
Disliked:
Regina and Zelena — it started well enough, but the writing and the conflict felt very flat to me. It was also completely manipulative of the audience. How can Zelena reoffend Regina and how might we recreate the feeling of sisterly enmity? Well, have Zelena lose the feather, last remnant of Robin, that Roland left for his stepmom. And then Zelena freaks out because by removing the EQ, Regina got rid of the part that was most like her? This resets Zelena’s character back to the petulant, self-absorbed, insecure child from which, I thought, she had grown.
Emma, reset back to 0 again. Back to the walls. Yippee ki yay.
The only “evidence” against this theory is that it would be economically unwise when the new B&B is coming out in spring 2017. Killing Rumple off too early and aborting the OUAT_internal BB story might not jive well for promotional purposes for the new Disney product. And it means not capitalizing on the slice of the market/viewership potentially resulting from the film.
There’s $$$ to consider here, and as we’ve learned with the Frozen adaptation, OUAT keeps its eye on the prize.
