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I think the only way to fix it is to have Rumple die for Belle and Mofetus, thus changing Belle’s mind about Rumple and I guess, in turn, changing Mofetus’s mind.
But that would not be “fixing” the story, that’s taking it to its logical conclusion — whether the father’s death is premeditated or accidental (by setting up the circumstances that lead up to it, which Mofetus presumably just did), it would technically count as the enactment of the fantasy of parricide. I don’t think the set-up could get any more Freudian if they actually tried to turn Totem and Taboo into a telenovela. Not to mention that this whole thing is a dream sequence.
But it would very logically complete Rumple’s story — he killed his father, it would be logical that his son kills him (or causes his death).
The main difference is that we’re getting the story from the perspective of the father, and if Mofetus is indeed a yet to be born fetus “aged-up” through Belle’s psyche, it’s more about the mother’s attachment to the son than the son’s attachment to the mother.
The sad thing is that it also casts Belle’s relationship with her child in a really creepy light. That’s not how I would have wanted to remember Belle’s character, but there you have it. I don’t know. I’ve taught Freud too many times to get past the Oedipal set-up. I’ll take it from Dosteovesky’s Brothers K or from Hamlet, just not from OUAT, for heaven’s sake — leave the Freud at home, guys.
[adrotate group="5"]I still think that really was their son. I just can’t see there being some random plot twist that it was all a lie.
I just don’t see how they can “fix” this story if “Morfetus” already hates his father in utero. What they seem to be setting up here, whether consciously or not, is a take on the Oedipal myth. The denouement of that is inevitably some form of patricide, symbolic or actual. *Shrug*
Finally watched the episode. Well, that was Oedipal, wasn’t it.
Knowing the mechanics of this show, when Rumple makes a declaration full of pathos, the show will quickly prove him wrong. So, when he says “My love for Belle is real, and this child is real” or something to that effect, we should probably assume that both are wrong. So my guess is that (a) his love for Belle won’t be considered real until he sacrifices himself in some way and (b) either
– Fetus posing as Morpheus isn’t really Rumple’s child (but a figment of one of their imagination)
– Morpheus is the next big (or small) bad posing as fetus posing as Morpheus
– Fetus is actually Morpheus posing as fetus, and hence has control over kicking someone out of the dreamworld while pretending it’s TLK
– Fetus isn’t really Rumple’s child (the father is someone else)
Edited to add: Also, when your toddler unreasonably throws a fit about wanting the other parent to go away, or tries to pin one parent against the other it is good parenting to remind them that we say nice things to each other, and that parents are a team. Because the next thing you know, they’ll be pulling the cat’s tail and pushing little Johnny into the sand while stealing their bucket.
Parenting fail, Belle. Parenting fail.
Oh. Wow. I mean, Oh.
Anyone else get the impression that Eddie’s trying to channel GRRM, what with the beard and the glasses and the perverse delight in slaughtering his own characters?
I don’t know if any of this makes sense. I’m treating it as an intellectual exercise to try and answer some of the questions about the OUAT universe. Just to clarify – I don’t believe A & E are actually thinking along these lines. It’s just the theory I would have presented if I’d been in their place.
I can totally get on board with the intellectual exercise idea. Btw I love the concept of potency as potential for change, rather than just, say, circulation or facility of uptake (“contagiousness”). It could even be brought back to your second point, that there would be multiple iterations of each story that play themselves out in different ways, and perhaps create different realms. So one realm would know the Snow White story as a kind of Oedipal/Electra myth (the one where she kills the stepmother) — and be somehow shaped by that “interpretation” of the story. Another would be one where Snow White forgives the Evil Queen etc.
I know this is all wild and very vague and raises a lot of questions. It’s the best explanation I can come up. I really don’t think there’s any way to resolve this without an explanation that’s highly mystical, because it touches on the question of where stories come from.
I like the meme idea, though how does one determine a story’s potency, and who is doing the determining? I suppose that, following up on the meme concept, it could be simply be a story’s “contagiousness.” But if there are multiple versions of each story, don’t we get into the possibility of multiple versions of each character, and a kind of multiplication of parallel universes at points of bifurcation?
Logically, I think the stories were written in our world first, but then these stories somehow spawned the creation of these realms of stories, where the characters came to life with freedom of their own.
But that’s problematic too because in the case of the more classical fairytales, authorship is shaky at best. How do you deal with, say, traditions of oral storytelling? The Brothers Grimm and other folklorists who collected and adapted folktales aren’t technically their “authors” in any kind of generative sense — more like, cultural translators. And based on the show’s own mythology, the Author isn’t supposed to invent, but record. I think you have to assume the prior existence of all the realms for the show to work, but at some point it just becomes kinda nonsensical (like the multiplication of fictional Londons).
For further clarification, we asked one final question on the matter: “Basically you’re not going to pull a Hook and bring [Robin Hood] back?
“You know, ‘I just don’t see that happening,’ would be the respectful answer to our fans.”
Seriously? I’m beginning to think that Kistis is an actual, bonafide troll — not like a metaphorical or accidental troll who just doesn’t know any better — no, like a real one. With way too wide of a platform. Because that’s the only explanation for this article that makes any sense here.
Rumple will have left some sort of if-you’re-reading-this-it-means-I’m-dead letter for Belle, telling her that she inherits everything that was his, and he wants her to take his money and his car and go off to explore the world like she’d always dreamed of. The last we’ll ever see of Belle is her and Baby-Mr-Gold’s-First-Name arriving at Neal’s apartment in NYC.
Well, they’ve been rehearsing getting rid of Rumple since season 3, so maybe this time’s the charm. But on the other hand, I suppose it all depends on RC — if he actually wants to stay and this isn’t the last season, I can’t imagine they’d write him off the show, since Rumple’s a fairly popular character. Unless they’re in a budget crisis and need to cut costs. (Or unless OUAT’s turned into a cult whereby lacking frothing-at-the-mouth enthusiasm for the writing gets you sacked, which… well, come to think of it, no, that wouldn’t surprise me either). *shrug*
If Robert leaves the show, that is just the complete decent into drivel that this show will have become.
It’s arguably descended into drivel a while ago, and has been happily rolling in it for a while. I’m not sure there’s much room to descend any further. Very little of the “original” intent of the show remains, and the characters most affected by this are, I think, Rumple and Emma. Rumple’s character development is a shambling plot zombie, and Emma has been robbed of her storylines in favor of other characters’ growth arcs.
The show needs a trickster now that Rumple has been squashed into one dimension.
Yes, and yes. I think Hades was meant to have a trickster quality to him, but, in retrospect, the writing didn’t pull it off — all I can remember at this point is a slightly over the top megalomaniacal jerk. And the only time we’ve seen Rumple’s trickster side recently is with Clippy!Dark One.
Well good. I was hoping they would go by 603, so 604 would be great. That would work for getting rid of the Evil Queen by the midseason finale then
Would that not produce a de-facto mid-season split/reboot, since they will need a new villain next half arc? I thought they didn’t want to do that? Ugh, I just hope we’re not going to get another 1/2 season of “oh, we need to kill some time until the next big bad, lets have Rumple muck things up for everyone” plot zombie.
