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*reads thread* Hrrm. That did, in fact, escalate quickly.
I think a death for a main character is unlikely unless an actor/actress want off the show by the end of the season. At the very least, I doubt a main would be killed at the hands of EQ. Graham excepted, EQ’s MO is to kill random peasants. Wasn’t the whole premise of the original curse to concoct a fate worse than death for Snow White and gang, or something to that effect?
[adrotate group="5"]I called and I want my show back!
This. Just started on Penny Dreadful, and it’s sooo good. Why did they cancel???? Grrr.
I do hope they don’t spring on us that the Land of Untold Stories is also Fictional Victorian London.
I am less than excited about this. They are going to make a mess of it, aren’t they?
In the original Aladdin story, Aladdin sort of fulfills the Fool archetype — he’s a bumbling but good-hearted slacker who stumbles into his good fortune and magical powers. His primary merit is that he is too lazy and too naive to use the genie’s powers for destructive purposes. Making him a “savior” seems like just the kind of stretch of the source material that OUAT likes.
Perhaps “saviors” are people with inherent/innate “white” magic, meant to be used only for the greater good. In this sense, I can see how Aladdin and Emma might fit the bill — it’s playing with the trope of not wanting the magic to begin with, but getting it accidentally (by contrast, what defines villains is their active cultivation of magic). But if it’s being channelled towards selfish/personal ends, maybe it starts corrupting its host? It would certainly explain why Emma’s been looking so sickly and unhappy even after the DO curse got broken. If, following Rumple’s little motto, all magic has a price, then it would make sense that savior magic wouldn’t be an exception.
Just got home, slightly exhausted, so a few thoughts
Welcome back!
the potion was laced with the Sands of Avalon, the same roofie Arthur gave Gwen, which explain Emma’s behavior S3B-present, especially when it comes to Hook.
Oh, that’s an interesting theory. It would certainly explain Emma’s character switch. I’m tempted to ask how he’d procure the magical roofie, but of course, this is OUAT — almost any MacGuffin can be retconned to have been used at any other point, with any number of unexplained and unexpected effects, should the plot need it. So why not?
There’s also something to the incredible physical resemblance between Hook and Arthur, and what I think @Slurpeez (?) mentioned about the parallel between Arthur/Gwen and Hook/Emma (what with the FODs and all that). Hmmm.
I’m sure that spot will go to our newest bad boy in town, Sam Witwer (Mr. Hyde). Adam and Eddy can’t resist having another tall, dark, & handsome with past issues and abusive ways on this show.
Bingo. Because, clearly you can’t have too much of a good thing…
Bobby is saving people from joining this sinking titanic!! XD I’m proud to be his fan!
An awesome actor and a good mentor to younger colleagues? What’s not to love!
I’m not saying I’m fully on board in thinking that it’ll happen, but I certainly wouldn’t mind if it did either. I think I’d cheer for it.
The apoplectic fit that the CS faction would have would be so worth it. 🙂 But aside from that, SQ is hands down the single most complex and fleshed out relationship on the show, now that Neal is gone.
I don’t personally have any stakes in whether SQ stays platonic or is made into a romantic relationship (on screen or off), but at this stage it makes infinitely more sense than CS. That being said, the constant CS fail might also just be bad writing – the show, as they say, must go on, so there must be conflict and obstacles. Based on OUAT’s abysmal mishandling of Rumbelle, its horrid treatment of OQ, and on the flatfooted and lumpy thing that became of Snowing, the writing of actual lasting relationships on this show is a train wreck. As I understand it, CS gathered its most rabid following in the “will they or will they not” stage, but once they became an item, they quickly became even more objectionable. Seeing the show runners’ track record, if SQ becomes canon I do hope it’s at the very end, so that they can ride off into the sunset before OUAT turns it into another shambling relationship zombie (erhm… ghost ship?)
Regina has has undergone real redemption whereas Hook really hasn’t in my opinion. Emma and Regina went from being enemies, to frenemies, to co-parents, to best friends. Regina and Emma constantly risk their lives for each other and stick by one another, no matter what. I think they’re closer to each other than they ever have been to either guy they’ve dated (excluding Neal and Daniel). Maybe it’s just all bait, but there is a heck of a lot of it.
Absolutely. I think the subtext is definitely there — there’s a lot about SQ that seems to follow the genre conventions of early 1990s films that had at their heart a really close, somewhat ambiguous bond between two women. So something like Thelma and Louise and Fried Green Tomatoes really come to mind. I think the difference is that both of those films were really explicit commentaries about patriarchy, violence against women (domestic or otherwise), and gender/social norms. So insofar as that genre of portrayal of a close female bond is SQ’s aesthetic predecessor, SQ is in some ways more regressive. Primarily because OUAT seems to normalize the emotional and physical violence that FGT and T&L were explicitly critiquing (for example, by “promoting” CS, both on-screen and off screen).
[quote quote=326220]I’m sure I don’t want MRJ to come back just to set up Emma’s future with CS. It’d just be a tease for SF fans, another painful what-might-have-been kind of scenario that the writers will pretend is they way they always intended it to be. I hope MRJ has the sense not to return for that.[/quote]
Me too. I personally don’t understand why, now that they’ve made their bed, the show runners refuse to lie in it, so to speak. On the one hand, they keep setting up this hyperbolic true love to end all true loves thing. On the other, we see that very often, things don’t work out for the characters, and except from Snowing, which is by definition the unsinkable ship, and CS that gets crammed down everyone’s throat with a toilet plunger, there’s not much of a happily ever after for anyone. But it’s never addressed, or dealt with, there is not a shred of “meta” commentary about how a character might process loss, grief, and disappointment, and grow from it. Instead, it’s just a tedious plot pileup and heavy-handed injunctions to fawn over CS.
Basically RumBelle have a 1 in 4 chance of a happy ending so why can’t A&E give them some happy time whilst they are alive together?
Because RumBelle serves the narrative function of being the foil to all the other “happy” couples and Rumple serves the narrative function of being the stand-in villain until something bigger and badder comes along. Rumbelle is the token dysfunctional “don’t do this at home” pairing. Also, they need to be broken up for the redemption via offspring trope they might try to do relative to Rump. Whether that will work out for him, I’m not so sure — even in the best case scenario, on OUAT a character who has a child and wants to do right by him/her can be quickly kicked to the curb in some gruesome, absurd way in order to then give said child to another, morally objectionable character, as a way of humanizing them.
I think RumBelle is bound for bad news either way — I suspect they’ll have Rumple die in some self-sacrificial manner yet again, especially if it’s true that Bobby wants off the show after s6
You watch it too? If we have several fans here, we should start up a discussion thread.
Yes! 100 is actually unexpectedly good.
Anyone watch Syfy’s Dark Matter? It’s pretty entertaining in a massively geeky way.
Also, if Colin just refused, I think ABC would listen, especially if Colin has a competent agent who can negotiate his contract. While he didn’t have a household name like Robert Carlyle prior to the show, he has developed a large following; he must know he brings in a large number of eyeballs each week. At the same time, he might feel stuck between a rock and hard place, since it’s those same fans whom he’s likely playing it up for some.
Right. I don’t think actors get a union rep to go batting for them in quite the same way that other traditionally strong unions might offer. I think that’s ultimately the agent’s job to negotiate with the producers/network what’s in the best interests of their client. I can imagine the network laughing at an actor’s complaint over what might be perceived as behavior that would put a strain on his marriage (along the lines of “oh grow up, this is part of the job”). I suspect there are large portions of this career that are steeped in retrograde, misogynist work culture. But that’s where the agent would come in and, for example, negotiate a contract where Colin only interviews alone, or gets to pick who he’s interviewing with.
Dear heavens, some sections of this fandom are such a sad bunch of turd muppets. The mind boggles. I do hope all these actors move on to do fantastic, rewarding projects after this. What is it about OUAT that somehow unleashed all the trolls?
