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So, I wonder if Vortigan bears any relation to Vortigern — according to this source, Vortigern usurped the throne from Arthur’s father (Uther Pendragon)’s older brother, whom he had assassinated.
And there’s also a Vertigern/Merlin connection, detailed here. Very briefly: Vertigern was trying to build a castle, but it kept falling apart. So, he eventually turned to sorcerers for advice.
“They advised that the ground should be sprinkled with the blood of a child born to a human mother and a father from the ‘other world’.”
They found the child who fit the bill: you guessed it, Merlin. Merlin convinced Vertigern the plan with the blood sprinkling was bogus. Instead, he said the castle kept falling apart because of an underground lake with two dragons that mostly slept, but sometimes woke up, fought, and destroyed the castle in the process. Vertigern got his workers to check, and sure enough, there they were. After the red dragon beat the white one, he returned to his lair and went back to sleep, and the castle could be built.
[adrotate group="5"]Ha! So, most of the books you folks are mentioning have been either sitting in my queue, or popping up in my recommendations. This helps weed through things!
I continue to essentially stalk Neil Gaiman for news of American Gods 2 (write faster, Neil) as well as The Winds of Winter by GRRM (but that’s a 13 year struggle, so I’m used to waiting. But still, write faster George).
RG, I got just the thing for you. The first time I saw this, I was cackling for a good five minutes straight. ^-^
Also, there might be a sequel to AG??? When??? (Also, if you like Gaiman, have you read anything by China Mieville?)
On YA — it’s not a genre I normally gravitate to, but one series that I cannot recommend enough is Laini Taylor’s Daughter of Smoke and Bone. It’s the first of a trilogy (and all three are excellent). It’s one of those things that will keep you reading in the wee hours of the morning. It’s phenomenally written, the world is fascinating and just the right kind of haunted/haunting, and the characters are very odd but they sort of stay with you even after the books are over. Like many YAs, there’s a love story at the center, but it’s done in a very unusual way, and it plugs right into the cosmology of the world, so it doesn’t feel artificial. Seriously amazing.
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They can do any number of things in order to get out of the Neal thing, all of which can boil down to “this person no longer resides at this address.” The Underworld could be, like the rest of the OUAT verse, fragmented into different realms. It could be a place of transition, where some souls get stuck, and others move on. It could, like @Rainbow suggested, be a selective invasion of SB, which would allow the production team to save on special effects.
A likely scenario might be that they’ll go retrieve Emma (and whoever else might end up dying) on a very brief journey, hightail it out of there, and then something latches on and comes back on Charon’s boat and voila, you have your next villainous threat to SB.
(seconds this recommendation)
(recommends anything by Gaiman)
(especially American Gods)
On that note, have folks tried to have a sort of “What are you reading now” thread in the “Everything off-topic” category? I don’t know if I’ve been here long enough to have seen it if it went moribund. But I feel like I’ve seen book recommendations pop up in various threads, but nothing consolidated. Worth the trouble?
Now I’m just picturing an office version of Hell where Facilier is trying to work his way up from imp to middle-management.
Hah! Actually, have you ever read Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett’s Good Omens? One of the protagonists is this imp-like character struggling with, among other things, Hell’s outdated and cumbersome bureaucracy. Your comment reminded me of it — highly recommend it, it’s very silly and riotously funny. 🙂
Ok, I adore Belle. And I’m thrilled when she makes an appearance — Emilie is criminally underused on this show. But this scene takes the Human Google Project plot device to a whole new level.
I think the only reasonable interpretation at this point is that the book we see Belle holding is actually always the same book — the Book of All Answers! (Coming soon to a store near you, and available at 50% off with your next MacGuffin purchase.)
For the heck of it, I was trying to figure out if such an artifact actually comes up in some mythology — all I could think of was Lloyd Alexander’s ‘Book of Three’. And I bet Borges probably has a short story about something like that.
And for what it is worth, Dr. Facilier is largely based on Baron Samedi who is one of the Loa in Voodoo (the top hat gives him away) responsible for the dead.
Ooh, good point! Although I also think that we’re going with Hades. Doc Facilier’s connection to Charon and the Furies would be tenuous at best. Also, Facilier is more of a trickster figure (much like Rumplestiltskin, with the same sort of wheeling and dealing function) rather than a God-like figure. The casting news talks about a “Devil” character — I think Facilier is at the imp level of the evil totem pole. ^-^
Was Lacey not kind of Villain Belle?
Kind of, though wasn’t Lacey’s personality largely Regina’s fabrication (intended to mess with Rumple), rather than a selfish/villainous version of Belle as such?
To be a villain, you’ve got to do villainous things. Emma’s climbing up there quickly isn’t she?
Yup. But to be fair, I think every single member of OUAT’s main characters crew has attempted (and sometimes almost succeeded) to kill another member at least once through the seasons. Belle’s just not had a go at being the villain yet.
That’s it. I’m calling it. Belle = main villain for S6.
How is this scene not meant to show how icky Hook is? #RhetoricalQuestion #ReginaSeesThroughIt #WhyDoesntEmma
I love Regina in that scene. She does outrage so well. But Hook’s writing stopped making any sense to me by now. I mean, say, from Henry’s perspective: his de-facto stepfather is offering to give him advice on getting women, with the implication that his own mom is just one in a long sting of them? I mean, look at the guy fiddling with his belt buckle. That’s supposed to be Emma’s TL?
