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Hades being Lily’s dad would certainly tie in the different story lines together. And if we go with Greek mythology, the gods definitely weren’t strangers to shape shifting — Zeus being especially prone to it of course, but Poseidon often showed up as a horse too. There’s no reason why Hades, being one of the three brothers, wouldn’t be able to shape shift too.
And that would be one more parallel to the show Lost Girl.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of intersecting themes lately between the two shows. And Hades, of course, if he shows up on OUAT, is one.
[adrotate group="5"]Hmm. Good question, @WickedRegal . I guess I’m grateful that RC hasn’t yet dumped OUAT and run for the hills. I’ll slog through almost anything with Bobby in it. 😉 But more generally about the show, and as much as I like to criticize them, I think A&E are “big idea” sorts of guys — that’s why the first few seasons were so good, the show had this incredible creative spark. And even if that spark has by now largely petered out, I do remember how exciting it felt to discover this new, yet seemingly deeply familiar and satisfying story, and I dearly miss that narrative and its characters.
Since we’re on the topic of thanksgiving though — I know I’m relatively new here compared to many others, but I think if I hadn’t accidentally stumbled on this community, I would have dropped OUAT like a hot radioactive potato faster than you could say “character assassination.” And yet, here I am, still watching, and it’s all your fault, you guys. 😉
What’s really delightful about this forum and community (and the SF thread in particular) is that one is as likely to come up on a smart discussion of mythology, a feminist critique of mass media, some lighthearted random banter, or on an MRJ gifset. ^_^ For better or for worse, this particular configuration probably wouldn’t exist without OUAT having gone so spectacularly off rails. How’s that for a silver lining on this fine Saturday morning?
Just a guy stuck in a crappy job. Plus they already have his sob story built in for their classic OUAT twist (“ohhh boohoo my brother tricked me into this! I should be king-god not death-god! Somebody hold me! Where’s my stolen wife!”
LOL you just made my day. But that’s my sense of Hades as well — the conflation of the god of the underworld and the Devil happened a lot later. (And I bet RG could speak more competently to this question than I would). Point is, the poor fellow’s got a bad rep. Outside of the whole pomegranate seeds thing, he’s not even all that devious.
On that note, here’s what a quick google search turned up on the Hades vs Satan topic, from this source:
“They’re both rulers of the Underworld, but that’s where similarities end. The Christian Satan is the most evil of creatures who delights in torment and pain, while Hades was long known as defender of the rights of the dead, as well as the overseer of both Tartaros and the beautiful fields of Elysium. While Satan is said to delight in walking the Earth and causing trouble, most of the interaction Hades has with humans is when they invade his domain—and sometimes, they’re given what they want.”
Now that I think about it, if we go back to Brave (the cartoon), isn’t there essentially a tension between two understandings of bravery? Merida (being young and feisty) argues that bravery is the ability to shape one’s own fate, and to make one’s choices. By contrast, more “mature” bravery involves acting with an eye to the costs and consequences of one’s actions for others. It’s a fine line between rocking the boat and capsizing it.
Both Rumple’s and Arthur’s stories hinge on the idea of “fate,” framed as a prophecy. With Rumple’s story, the origin of the whole coward label goes back to the stigma of being a deserter. Which, incidentally, was due to a prophecy (Rumple was told his son would grow up fatherless) — and I think this might parallel Arthur’s story: by trying to escape the prophecy, Rumple makes it come true. By trying to fulfill the prophecy, Arthur makes a hot mess. So there’s already this tensions of fate vs self-determination there, which I guess connects back to Brave.
What a grown up Merida (upon the completion of the cartoon’s character arc) could really offer Rumple by way of “bravery” is the willingness to accept the consequences of one’s decisions, which Rumple hasn’t always been very good at. In other words, she might teach him to stop experiencing himself as a victim — which would go a long way to helping him accept love more broadly.
Thanks, @RG — I was also thinking that the whole Arthur wanting to kill Merlin thing seemed a bit unfounded. But your explanation makes sense.
By the way, do we know for a fact that Merlin is, in fact, in/the tree? Arthur clearly believes so, but Merlin has allegedly been photosynthesising before Arthur was born. Could the tree be a red herring?
One can only hope longer than a week. *Gah…no hoping.*
*resigned shrug* I suppose come Sunday I’ll be sitting over there in the “given up on OUAT but still watching against all reason” corner, with my anesthetic glass of red.
the sneak gave me a lot of feelings but the script tease pissed me off. so im at a nice even keel for Sunday, I guess? Adam tweeted that one delibertly. It’s a very brief mention of Neal (that is wrong and doesn’t make sense given who is speaking and to whom he is speaking) but the quickly does a thing so that you know this is not about Neal! Got it, audience. Not about him! This is something utterly different! pay attention to new shiny
Yeah, I just now saw that script tease. Unless it’s really taken out of context, it doesn’t make much sense at all.
People have already mentioned that it’s weird that Hook even knows anything about the dreamcatcher, but whatevs, that’s how this show rolls. But why is Robin there at all? Because Hook needs a manly bro to support him in his time of need? Robin is so very peripheral to Emma’s story that I’m absolutely flummoxed as to why he would be having this intimate conversation about the dreamcatcher with Hook in the first place. Second, Belle’s line. What do you mean, why’d she have it? Why, let me think, maybe for the same reason that Rumple hung on to a busted piece of china for all these years, and Belle logged a rose in a biscotti jar around two separate realms.
For the love of everything that is holy, someone give these writers a betareader for Christmas.
@Slurpeez
On the upside, we have a human, self-aware Rumple reclaiming Neal as the center of his whole story.
How long do you think that’ll last before they remember themselves and muck it up again?
Poor Rumple. “No prophet is accepted in his own country” and all that. Seeing his more self-aware side makes me even more worried that they’ll try to re-villanize him. Or some other form of #bold storytelling. *twitch* I have this nagging although possibly unfounded feeling that character self-reflexivity combined with sage advice on OUAT tends to be a liability as far as long term survival is concerned.
I do wonder what Merida is supposed to do. Go raid Regina’s apple tree and play William Tell?
