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nevermoreParticipant
Of course what makes ScarletBeauty so frustrating is that it’s not just interfering with one relationship, but two. There’s the Rumbelle front with Belle and Rumple, and then there’s the ScarletQueen front with Will and Anastasia. That’s two couples broken up in favor of this ship happening. That makes for double the angst. That’s where the writers see the true potential in this latest development
Sure, that’s definitely part of it. And on that note, I think what frustrates me personally is that this started off as very much a character-driven show, but at some point switched to plot-driven. As a result, characters stopped growing organically (Rumple is probably the most obvious example), and instead became stand-ins for plot twists that, honestly, sometimes feel like they’re only there for the *gasp* factor – which, as RG is pointing out, has lost much of its shock value by its 3rd or 4th iteration.
[adrotate group="5"]nevermoreParticipantHonestly I’m just waiting for the massive orgy to ensue, while Snow and Charming stand off to one side and judge everyone.
Teeeheehee! That should give a boost to the ratings.
nevermoreParticipantRG, I’m totally willing to concede that the whole thing with the haves and the have nots isn’t purposeful — could be an unfortunate side-effect of the original fairy tales, which tend to make that division, and could be a coincidence, having to do with whom the show is able to retain.
Either way, I’m with you on the love triangle drama (I don’t know, maybe they could change shapes at least. A love parallelogram, anyone?). If that’s all they’re up to, in lieu of exploring the relationships that are already there and are plenty angsty on their own, then it just seems a bit lazy to me. Oh well.
nevermoreParticipantHa, good point on the royals! Especially the “older” generation (King George as prime example). But Cindarella and Charming share the trait that, as you said, they ‘came’ into fortune — they certainly weren’t seeking it. By contrast, Cora, Rumple, Zelena, (maybe) Hook, Pan etc were actively seeking power/knowledge/fortune one way or another (and sure, for different reasons).
Then there’s Neal/Baelfire, who doesn’t get Emma/ or any other kind of happy ending either, though by all accounts he’s a decent guy. So if you think about who gets killed off or cancelled out on the show of the well-liked characters (Neal, the Huntsman, and to some extent August) — all are conspicuously non-royals. I don’t know. I’m probably reading into it, but there is something a little uncomfortable about all of this. And now with the QoD we have Cruella who was married to a financial crook (so, again, this theme of illegitimate fortune), although Ursula and Mal aren’t clear yet. Honestly, I’ll be pretty annoyed if we get the flashback to their “humble beginnings.”
I’d love to be wrong, simply because that would give some hope to what started off as two really interesting, complex pairings, which are apparently being torpedoed (ahem, pardon the terrible nautical pun) into non-existence. If that’s happening because of some kind of unacknowledged bias on the writers’ part, then for shame. Grrr.
nevermoreParticipantSo, I’m new to posting (though not new to the forums or OUAT, have been a lurker forever), but this seems like as good a thread as any to address what’s been done to the various couples. Actually, what prompted me to post is a comment that my niece made (I swear, that kid is scary smart for her age) — she and I have been watching OUAT together. Now, being the cool auntie, I get to answer the stompers… lucky me.
So here we are, watching Rumple disappear into the shadow when Will and Belle kiss, and the kiddo turns to me with a look for deep concentration and goes “So… is Rumple never going to have his happy ending because he’s poor?” I scratch my head, and say “Well, no, he’s only poor outside of Storybrooke.” So she looks at me like I’m thick, and goes “No, I mean because he started off poor.”
And then we get into a debate about whether all the characters on OUAT who don’t have an aristocratic background or birthright necessarily end up a) evil; b) crooked; c) dead; or d) largely irrelevant.
The only counterexample I could come up with was Ingrid, who was a princess. All the other villains, the kid kindly pointed out, had very humble beginnings, and were trying to get rich (now, we might say ‘rise above their station’). So, and here’s the stomper for you kind folks: did Rumbelle go off-rails because it’s technically a misalliance? Seriously, is OUAT just completely classist? Please prove me wrong 🙂
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