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ParticipantI agree @RumplesGirl
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ParticipantSo question: What could be revealed or addressed showing Belle before she met Rumple? Maybe it could explain, why she is so blind to Rumple’s evilness. Could simple say, love makes blind, but somehow I prefer to see love as a positive aspect of life, improving and extending our selves and not diminishing them.
I think it could. Maybe since she was in an arranged marriage like Charming, that she didn’t believe in the existence of true love.
I am losing more and more any respect for the person Belle, although it does make her on the other hand more interesting and complex as a character than being the lovely, friendly, forgiving innocence she is seen as often. She’s reminding me by now somewhat of Eva Braun, the woman who adored and idealized Hitler. I am not saying with that, that Rumple is like Hitler, though IMO Rumple is the big bad of the show, just saying that Belle is either naive or willing to overlook what Rumple is doing, people wondered the same about Eva Braun. How can someone be in love with a person making so many other people suffer and exploit people for his own purposes and convictions? I found it intriguing when Belle said, that she loves even the dark sides of Rumple. But that means she is not the nice, friendly, openminded, innocent person many want to see in her, she has her own dark side. Well, power can be attractive.
Belle wasn’t attracted to him because of his power and that’s actually what separates her from Cora. Belle fell for Rumple because she saw the good in him and he likewise, strove to be better for her (to be worthy of her love).
The real test for Belle’s love will come, when Rumple loses his power, stops to be the Dark One, if that ever will happen. Can Belle love a simple man, the vulnerable, fearful guy who is plagued by feeling inadequate and at the mercy of others or fate as much as she loves the charming, witty but reckless and ruthless powerful magician with a soft side? She might believe she would, but would she? Or would she react alike Milah did and find him abhorrent? Was it just an adventurous streak and goodness (the will to sacrifce herself for the many) that drove her to offer herself as prize for Rumple for stopping the Ogres attacking her people? And was it goodness or as much curiosity and attraction to danger and power which then made her stay with Rumple and fall for him?
Belle can love him as ordinary man. I know what she said in Quiet Minds but I think ultimately if given the choice between his dark side powers and being normal, she choose normal. I do think sometimes she can be blinded to the things he does but she also calls him out too when he’s wrong.
I don’t dislike Belle but I am starting to see the flaws in her character in the way the writers have written her.
obisgirl
ParticipantThe Once ABC tumblr account is doing something called Captain Swan thon where fans can submit their CS artwork on tumblr. I’ve seen some amazing artist in the fandom so I hope everyone can participate 🙂
http://onceabc.tumblr.com/post/88920113425/for-the-next-week-its-a-captainswanathon-have-a
obisgirl
ParticipantOkay, maybe I should have phrased that differently. I think what I’m trying to get at here is what was Belle’s life before Rumple? Because there’s very little, IMO, we know what her life was like before she met in Skin Deep.
What we know:
She was engaged to Gaston (arranged marriage) and she never truly cared for him.
She loves books.
Her father was a Duke, or something.
She wasn’t a Princess but judging from that gold dress, she lived a fairly comfortable lifestyle.
For most of the other characters we know on OUAT, generally, we know what their life was like before they met their respective partner. We know Emma was an orphan and had been alone for most of her life. David was a shepherd before he was a Prince. Snow was a former princess turned bandit fugitive before she met Charming.As for Belle, her introduction into OUAT was tied to Rumple’s.
We didn’t get a prequel episode of what Belle’s life was like before she met him. You see what I’m saying here?
I agree, she’s a prop for Rumple, to help make him look good but a lot of Oncers already had sympathy for him because of what happened with Bae. (Myself included). Fathers fighting for their children will always be sexy.
obisgirl
ParticipantYou also have to look at the flip side of things: if Emma hadn’t saved Marian, then, Regina would have certainly killed her and then Robin at some point, probably would have learned that his current true love really did murder his wife. And like Emma said to Gold in that season two episode, “Murder is not a good first impression.” I hope Emma sees that what she did wasn’t wrong. But I also think, Regina will approach these obstacles a lot differently than she would have in season one too.
obisgirl
ParticipantHere’s a question for you all: Since Belle has not had major character development outside of her relationship with Rumple, would you consider her as a plot device character?
obisgirl
ParticipantRumple at all, do we? I’d think at the very least, even if she’s able to overlook the murder part since it happened so long ago, she’d be upset about the more recent lie of omission since he apparently had told her that his wife died without mentioning that he was the one who killed her.
I think season four might be a good moment to probably bring up Milah’s death and contrast it with what to Zelena. Both times Rumple reacted drastically and lied about it to someone he loved. And maybe give Belle another look at what happened there.
obisgirl
ParticipantCool!
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ParticipantI swear these keep on getting on better every time. Lol.
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ParticipantI had been working on a meta about the Captain Swan theme & hope. It’s finally posted now.
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