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I agree @surayya . I was looking through my tumblr likes and I came across the season 2 DVD featurette ‘Sincerely, Hook’ where Colin talks about Hook’s persona.
And I wrote a response to it:
Who is Captain Hook on Once Upon a Time?
He’s a man who’s had love but was taken from him and the loss of that love (his brother and Milah) made him into the vengeful Captain Hook, but when love comes back into his life, he finds love (with Emma), he drops the facade of Captain Hook and becomes the man of honor we saw in Good Form flashbacks; he becomes his true self, Killian Jones.
And that’s what love does on Once Upon a Time folks. It brings out the best in people, or in this case, the best version of Hook, Killian Jones.
And that’s exactly what we saw happen in season 3, especially in 3B. He wanted to prove himself worthy of Emma’s love and that trip to the past, showed her that he is worthy of her. I think Emma started to realize that during the dancing scene.
And all he wanted was for Emma to embrace the best version of herself. And she did in the vault scene.
[adrotate group="5"]I don’t know if Zelena was planned as far back as The Miller’s Daughter. She might have been but generally, when I view that scene I think it was referring to Regina since she was the one who was Simba’d at the coronation.
But when it comes to love, unlike many, Hook/Killian is extremely confident – not because he feels whoever is on the receiving end should be grateful, or owes him something for his love. And I don’t think it’s because he knows that person will ‘come around’ – it’s because he’s going to love that person irregardless of whether they return that love. Because he knows he is a better person for loving them, regardless of whether or not that love is returned. So when he says he will win Emma’s heart, it’s not that he will be playing games and not give until he gets the girl, he’s saying the reason Emma will return his feelings is because he will have earned them by being the person she wants – and more importantly – needs. What I think is most important in that exchange – He’s not giving her a timeline – he’s pointing out to her that neither one of them are ready at that moment – Hook has some work to do to become the right person for Emma, but he has no doubt he can become that person, because he loves her so much that he wants to become the person capable of being loved by Emma.
Yes!! Yes!! Yes!!
I think that when Elsa last lost control over her powers, it caused the “harshest winter” that just so happened to be the same winter that Snow White was born in.
That’s a very interesting connection. I love it!
To me Price, I think too many Oncers focus too much on that aspect of the quote and ignore everything else about it. I don’t view it as presumptuous. I view it more as confident. And there’s a big difference between being presumptuous and confident.
I found my old post about it:
Remember earlier on before the kiss, Hook wasn’t confident that Emma would love him. Remember how Charming taunted him about that? I don’t see him being presumptuous here but confident. There’s a difference. Confidence is good. And Hook knows Emma well enough that when she is ready to love him, she will.
He’s not cornering her into making a decision now. He’s stating that the choice will be hers to make and she will have to make a choice between Neal and Hook. I also do not see how what Hook says is any different than what Mary Margaret said to David when they were cursed, that David would have to make a choice between her and Katherine.
And lastly,
it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.
The trickery mention goes back to fighting fairly and good form. I love how Hook states upfront that he’s done with his old ways of getting what he wants. He’s going to do things the right way, he’s going to do right by Emma because it’s what best for her.
So, when she makes her decision, when she chooses him, loves him, wants him in her life or whatever, there will be no question about it. This will be her choice. It will be because she makes that decision.
And then let’s reflect what happened in the finale: Emma accepted her feelings for Killian in the Enchanted Forest, she saw what her parents went through and realized, she had been doing the same thing when it came to relationships in her life. So when she missed him in the diner, she realized what Hook not being by her side meant and sought him out. She chose him then, so when he told her about his ship, it cemented her feelings for him and thus, the kiss. There was no trickery involved. The mystery of the ship was revealed when it was appropriate for Emma to know about it, when she could accept it.
When Emma was ready to love Killian, when she was ready to accept love back into her life, she came to him.
That’s what I mean by connecting the themes of Frozen with LGBT.
But Adam and Eddie could always put their own spin on it, but in this case, I don’t think so.
This is how I see it playing out. –Frozen has already happened. Anna and Kristoph get married and want to start a family –Anna dies giving birth. Kristoph, heart broken, goes to live on his own. Elsa realizes she has lost her famly –Her powers become uncontrollable again and she begins turning the EF (where Arendelle is) into winter. Rumple, worried that this will upset his plans with the curse, traps her in the urn –She is released into SB –She and Regina bond over loosing sisters and their family
That’s what it sounds like to me.
And maybe, Oooh!
Here’s an interesting theory: Maybe Kristoff seeks out Rumplestiltskin’s help to trap Elsa in that urn. And Elsa’s revenge just isn’t against Rumple but Kristoff, whom she once loved but since he betrayed her too, he’s on her “frozen” hit list as well.
Okay, now that I’ve seen Frozen finally – I feel like I can now really contribute to the discussion here. I understand how the LGBT theme is interpreted here but at the heart of the story it’s about sisters and their unconditional love for each other.
So I can see where Adam and Eddie can go with introducing Elsa to the Once universe. I think the heart of her story will still be her relationship with her sister and like the movie, she may not have a love interest on the show.
But I don’t think that’s an “open door” to make the character of Elsa a lesbian. She didn’t have a love interest in the movie but also remember how her parents locked her away so she never really had a chance for any kind of romantic relationship with either sex.
She grew up in fear of hurting people around her because of her parents decision to lock her away.
I am however very interested to see how Elsa got her ice powers and how Adam and Eddie will deal with that. Frozen I feel didn’t really deal with aspect of her character too much.
I agree with all of that @priceofmagic 🙂
Emma’s getting hate because of her feelings for Hook? The haters in this fandom are disgusting. Just comes to show you, ‘shippers only care about their respective half of Emma ‘ships (Regina or Neal) and really DO NOT care at all about what Emma wants, or feels and that’s really sad.
Granted Emma was not my favorite in season one but Tallahassee opened my eyes as to why she is the way she is and I like her now and I like Hook too. I care about both of them as characters and have always said, I care about both their happiness as characters. How many other Emma ‘shippers can say that?
Killian respects Emma’s agency. I don’t remember a moment where he forced himself on her. Like really forced himself. He put out the suggestion for a first kiss but honestly, I don’t think he expected her to deliver. He’s confident because he knows her, he understands her and sees a lot of himself in her and that means, he “gets” her. He knew there was a deeper reason why Emma wanted to go back to New York and it wasn’t just to protect Henry (who was the “wall”).
Emma initiated and the first kiss and the kiss outside of Granny’s. Hook didn’t force her in both cases. Even if she hadn’t asked about The Jolly Roger, I feel fairly certain she would have kissed him anyway but knowing what he gave up her, made her decision more clear.
And you know Hook was right:
“So when I win your heart, Emma…and I will win it… it will not be because of any trickery. It will be because you want me.”
There was no trickery involved in winning Emma’s heart. The only thing he wasn’t honest about was Zelena’s curse on his lips because he was in a “no-win” situation. Zelena said to him, he tells people, someone dies, or he kisses Emma and she loses her powers. And Emma started to fall for him in the winter finale and she accepted her feelings for him during the their trip to the past. She already knew how he felt about her but her walls were still a problem. Killian always gave her the choice. He never forced their relationship as an ultimatum or anything. He’s been her partner throughout 3B.
