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Just occurred to me: we won’t be seeing the DC at all, even in the season finale? An episode(s) in which we know we are going back in time to an AU….so, is Rumple not the DO at all in the past now? Is someone else? Is Rumple even alive in the Past AU since he would have died centuries beforehand without becoming the DO?
I think what happened in EF past, still happened. I think what this switch does, all it does it changes things going forward. Also, I think because Rumple is a hero in this alternate universe, he doesn’t need the dagger or be the Dark One. I mean, when you think back on Rumple’s history, he sought out the dagger to save his son. He did that, but he chose to keep the dagger and continue being the Dark One.
Why?
Because he was still a coward. I don’t think it’s necessarily true love’s kiss as the reason why he’s not the Dark One here. Adam and Eddy will come up with some other explanation, or it could be what I wrote above. That he has no need for it because he is the hero.
[adrotate group="5"]I think most likely, the Rumbelle reunion will happen in the Enchanted Forest and then break-up once everyone returns to Storybrooke. Belle has a limit, there’s only so much stuff she can take from Rumple. He’s been tricking and manipulating her since 4B begun. And this last one, switching everything around so Rumple can have his happy ending when Belle expressed that she is scared of him and she’s moved on– there’s no way there can be a happy ending for Rumbelle at this point.
Rumple switching everything around, he’s manipulating Belle’s free will here. It’s the same reason Emma right now is so upset with her parents.
It cracked me up when Belle had to communicate with a “professor” on the internet (turned out to be Rumple) to translate the spell that would release the fairies from the magic hat. When the spell was performed, no words were spoken. The dagger was just waived over the hat, as it was before. What was the translation for?
Different spells call for different ways they’re enacted. The translation was probably for a foreign language or ancient language Belle was not familiar with.
I’m not really sure where this goes considering there’s like three different threads relating to the Author, but I stumbled across these questions on Once Upon a Time Fan podcast.
What would happen if the author didn’t manipulate the story?
Did the author take away their chance for a happy ending by creating a better story or did he only provide reasons for what they inevitably would become?
Are we all one decision away from becoming a villain and could a second chance alter the course of history for the better?
Same questions posted in Fate, Free Will, And The Author. But it relates to here too.
I’m not really sure where this goes considering there’s like three different threads relating to the Author, but I stumbled across these questions on Once Upon a Time Fan podcast.
What would happen if the author didn’t manipulate the story?
Would Rumpel still have spoken with the seer?
What if Cora didn’t kill Daniel, Regina never learned magic, Zelena was never abandoned or Pan never left his son?
Did the author take away their chance for a happy ending by creating a better story or did he only provide reasons for what they inevitably would become?
Ultimately, we are who we are because of decisions we’ve made but what happens when you have been manipulated into those decisions?
Can you fault someone that has been lead and influenced to be a villain?
If the lives between a hero and villain were switched, would the outcome be the same? Are we all one decision away from becoming a villain and could a second chance alter the course of history for the better?
Yeah, I think so too. I heard a great analogy for that on the Captain Swan podcast, things will start in Storybrooke, Enchanted Forest in the middle and then end in Storybrooke; making it like an Oreo.
What came first, the chicken or the egg? Either way, I think the Authors’ job is to keep people believing with the stories they record.
This is a really tough one to answer. With this Author storyline, they haven’t really explained yet how our world knows about these fairytales. Was there a crossing over of sorts before the Dark Curse? Is Walt Disney from the Enchanted Forest? Are all the writers’ we’ve known throughout history from the EF?
To me, that means that the Author can control what the characters do, giving him the ability to throw a character’s free will out the window. So what’s in it for the Author? Why did he start changing these stories in the first place?
My theory is that he didn’t get his happy ending the way he wanted, so he messes with other people’s stories, just because he can.
I tend to think that Rumple and the Author have met in the past. If this is true, there’s a good chance they’ve been working together since the beginning. Rumple would’ve been alive for hundreds of years before the current Author came into the job, so it’s possible Rumple tried to corrupt other Authors but was finally able to sway this one, offering to help him return to A land Without Magic, which is exactly where Rumple wanted to go to reunite with Baelfire. Perhaps the only reason the Dark Curse even exists is because Rumple had the Author write it into existence. There’s no telling what Rumple promised the Author for helping him.Quote
This is an interesting theory, I can actually see happening on the show. We know from spoilers The Author has some kind of past with Cruella, but we don’t know about Rumple. Depending if the Author is immortal or not like Rumple, he may have had a history with him. Rumple has a history with most every character we know, so why not the Author too?
So this episode coming up, is it a flashback to six weeks ago or happening in real-time? Because if it’s happening in real time, there’s no way Rumple could be in New York at the same time as being in Storybrooke.
I think what happened in EF past, still happened. I think what this switch does, all it does it changes things going forward.
Also, I think because Rumple is a hero in this alternate universe, he doesn’t need the dagger or be the Dark One. I mean, when you think back on Rumple’s history, he sought out the dagger to save his son. He did that, but he chose to keep the dagger and continue being the Dark One. Why? Because he was still a coward.
I don’t think it’s necessarily true love’s kiss as the reason why he’s not the Dark One here. Adam and Eddy will come up with some other explanation, or it could be what I wrote above. That he has no need for it because he is the hero.
Marian knowing Baelfire’s name and how he got to this world is a red flag that she’s really Zelena.
Of course, “Marian” aka Zelena would remember Gold’s son’s name would Baelfire. She was really responsible for his death.
There you go Matt!
