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obisgirl wrote: I may be the minority on this one and if I am, just my opinion. Still looking forward to the episode!!
You’re not alone, I hope we will see the true goddess of the sea someday.
Oh thank goodness.
[adrotate group="5"]@txangelwolf nope. 312 scheduled to shoot in a few weeks.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) October 30, 2013
Wow! This is very impressive the way they are handling filming episodes this year. Before we know it, we’ll start to get spoilers about the 2nd half of the season!
rumplegoldfan wrote: But for someone who was always criticizing his father for making the wrong choices (power over family and love) he certainly never learned how to take his own advice and he never learned how to learn from his own mistakes. He may have left NL and physically grown older but I don’t think he ever grew up. The other characters may all struggle with doing the right thing and may falter back and forth but they ALL seem to learn from their mistakes and want to improve. With Neal I feel like he thinks he is just fine the way he is and doesn’t need to change. I don’t think he even recognizes that he has issues – I think he only sees other people’s issues – primarily his father’s. He may say he loves Emma and Henry but he doesn’t seem motivated enough by either of them to want to make changes.
YES. Myself and MysteryKat were discussing Neal’s hypocrisy after “Nasty Habits” and how Neal does immoral things and yet holds his father up to some lofty standard that he doesn’t really have. Sure he doesn’t kill people. But he has done things that have hurt people. And YES Neal thinks he doesn’t need to change, he’s “Neal” now, not “Baelfire”. It really disturbed me when he didn’t even think to question his choice when he decided that Roland was the best way to get to NL.
YES!!! I totally agree!!
But i feel like he’s hanging on to his and Emma’s relationship (he never fully got closure either) because he doesn’t want to deal with the fact that Tamara, the woman he moved on with and was genuinely in love with, betrayed him and never loved him. The way he had his hands over their campfire and was like “Emma” in this happy eager voice – he seems to be forgetting or not acknowledging all the hurt he caused her.
I don’t defend Neal very often but he does realize from the premiere that he did hurt Emma. The thing that always got me, whenever Emma tried to express to him how hurt she was, he laughed at it or brushed it off like her feelings didn’t mean anything. That’s why I loved Emma’s epiphany speech from Nasty Habits because it’s the first time, she’s able to openly acknowledge how much Neal’s leaving hurt her. And girl, she didn’t hold anything back.
Even on the beach when he apologized to her last season – the apology was all about him, his regrets, and not the extreme pain and anguish he caused Emma. He wanted to feel better about himself.
I agree with this. It was good closure, something Emma needed but I agree, the speech tended be more about his pain and misgivings and less about Emma and how it hurt her.
I’m going to try and reserve my opinion for the episode, because the rest of it could be really good (& I really hope it is, Ariel’s my favorite), but I am not looking forward to this bit. I was really hoping Ursula would be her own character.
I recently re-watched Disney’s Little Mermaid and Ursula literally steals the scenes from Ariel when they’re on-screen together. She is an awesome Disney villain with her own sass and character. I feel like Once could have made Ursula a completely separate character from Lana’s The Evil Queen but they chose to give Lana the role because she’s a fan.
I may be the minority on this one and if I am, just my opinion. Still looking forward to the episode!!
@rumplegoldfan — There’s so much truth to that lengthy post, it hurts.
I can’t address all of the points but yeah, Neal learned the hard way, working on his own and away from the group to save Henry wasn’t one of he smartest moves he’s made since arriving in Neverland. He managed to free Henry, for about 2 minutes before Pan captured them both.
Emma and Regina, who are bitter rivals, are coming together this season and working together to save Henry. Even though they may not like each other, the one thing that bonds them together is Henry. And both women recognize that they are co-parents where Henry is concerned and at the end of the day, they both love him.
And Emma’s speech in the premiere, that they’re going to need all their strengths/skills in order to work together as a team to save Henry. These are a group of people we would have never imagined actually setting aside their differences and working together for a common goal. That is awesome.
I don’t mind, whatever everyone wants to do. But either way it’s going to jump back to page 1 after 100 pages, so unless we keep starting new threads, we’re going to have a lot of them (since you know, we talk a lot – lol!). Actually i’d probably prefer to have just the one, so there’s no confusion and so old threads don’t get buried. But that’s just me!
Okay. We’ll keep the single thread for now.
Looking forward to the fairy showdown between Tink and Blue. I wonder if Blue will admit that she was wrong (not likely), but still…
Stelio Kontos wrote: I had this interesting thought I wanted to run by my fellow shipmates. What if Pan forces Emma into a sleeping curse which as we know requires true love’s kiss to break. So then at that point either Hook or Neal’s kiss will be what saves her?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. This is not what I want for her. I want her to make the choice. Maybe that’s just me?? I’ve seen this thought floating around before and i really dislike it. Now, AFTER she makes the choice i’d be happy for a curse to be broken via TLK, because we know who’ll break it hehe. But not before she chooses.
I agree. I want this too.
As for the back to page one issue. It happens to all threads that are over 100 pages in length. I have absolutely no idea why, I wish I did cause it’s annoying. Ok! Carry on
Aw! Maybe we should consider starting a new thread soon? Volume 2 of Captain Swan! Perhaps the next thread could be located under the character section since that’s where most of the ‘shipper threads are located?
Emma agreed to let Regina rip out the lost boys heart. Killian had to watch Milah’s heart be ripped out in front of him, so I can’t imagine that he approves of the practice. How is he going to feel towards Emma for her part in the heart ripping out?
That is a very good question. I’d imagine that Hook would be angry with her for letting Regina do that, but hopefully he’d understand that it wasn’t done with evil intentions behind it. It was so they could get word to Henry that they were coming for him.
But back to my Milah theories, she came into his life when he was at the high point to pirating. It seems to me that she was better for his bad side. Like the Rumple/Cora/Belle relationships. Cora/Milah brought out the bad, and Belle/Emma bring out the good.
OMG, I love this analysis. Another beautiful parallel with Rumbelle. It’s true with CS. Emma makes Hook want to be a better person. Everything he’s done since the finale when he came back, all of it has been for Emma. Even Charming acknowledged in this past episode that Hook is there because for her.
And Hook recognizes that this is what separates Emma from Milah. He knows Emma and that she would never abandon her son, even for him. He saw her fight like hell to get back to him in Enchanted Forest and she’s still fighting for him in Neverland.
Another thing that is parallel to Milah, was that Hook lost her because her heart was ripped out in front of him. Surely his worst fear is losing someone the same way. Who better for him to be with than Emma, who CAN’T have her heart ripped out??
I have a feeling once this little thing comes to light, it’ll be Killian’s breaking point. The heart thing, it’s what he hates and fears the most. Knowing that Emma can’t die the same way Milah did and trust me this – this will be at a high point in his relationship with Emma — it’s going to be very emotional for him.
Neal and Hook have both been told by someone that they cannot be with Emma, and both reacted differently. Pinocchio/August told him that he couldn’t be with her because she was the savior and she had a mission to complete. Then he held the fact that if he did decide to stick with her, that he would have to face his father. And what did Neal do? He ran away and left Emma and eventually even found someone else.
Then we have Hook. Both Charming and Pan have both said he will never have Emma this season. Charming said he couldn’t have her, and Hook didn’t back down. He told Charming all he had to do was wait for him to die and he would be out of the way, but he saved him instead. Then Peter Pan said that Emma would never be with him, and attempted to break him down by calling him a drunk and a pirate. But Killian did not back down.
Yup.
Watched the episode tonight. What if the other person in the cage is Rumple? It looks like an ordinary cage like Neal’s, but I’m thinking, if it is Rumple — Pan could have done something to do it to repel magic so he would be powerless. Neal and Rumple would have no choice but to talk and work together to get out.
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— Jennifer Morrison (@jenmorrisonlive) October 28, 2013
