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ParticipantI don’t get why the writers presented Rumple as evil in 4A when in reality, his intentions and motivations themselves were very sympathetic, it was his methods that weren’t above board.
Rumple has always had a reason for doing the things that he’s done. He needed magic to protect his son; he needed someone to cast the curse to come to this land to reunite with his son. He needed magic to leave Storybrooke because it was the price for him bringing magic to Storybrooke. All of those things were for his son. Rumple wanting magic in 4A had nothing to do with his son. Neal might have been a very small reason for it, but pretty much it was Rumple wanting it for himself.
All Rumple wanted to do was get out from under the dagger’s control and keep his power. Considering he was enslaved by Zelena last year and he has such deep seated insecurities that he believes having power is the only way to keep those he loves safe, this is totally understandable. (Desperate souls shows this. Without power, Bae was going to be taken to die in the ogre war, with power, Rumple protected Bae, brought the children home and ended the ogre war. You can see why Rumple thinks Power=Good, No Power=Bad).
And that’s completely understandable except it was not portrayed that way at all; nor did Robert ever mention that was his motivation for what Rumple was doing. Robert said that Rumple felt bad about what he was doing except whenever I watched him a scene this season (4A), I never saw that. And especially in the dialogue where he’s so obviously consumed by power and has no regrets or qualms about what he was doing.
Rumple has always been an ends justify the means guy, just like Regina is an ends justify the means girl. Why is one vilified whilst the other isn’t?
One simple reason: Double-standards. We don’t like to talk about it, but it’s definitely implied.
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ParticipantBlue Fairy is expected to come back but I don’t need to see other deaths reversed.
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ParticipantIs there a way to rewrite the story book so that deaths can be reversed?
HOROWITZ: Can’t say.
I hope deaths can’t be reversed. I don’t need to see that ret-conned. Unless it’s to serve a bigger purpose, it’s really not necessary. As Rumple said in season one, “Dead is dead.”
Will Robin Hood (Sean Maguire) get a flashback episode?
HOROWITZ: Oh, absolutely.
I hope this what happened to Robin after Regina ran from him in Quite a Common Fairy, or that story of how he met Marian. Either one is good with me.
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ParticipantShould we expect another pregnancy on the show after Snow (Ginnifer Goodwin) and Aurora (Sarah Bolger)?
HOROWITZ: Can’t say.
KITSIS: I mean, at some point, someone is going to get knocked up. That’s just the way life works.http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/12/26/once-upon-time-hot-seat-spoilers-2/
If Belle gets pregnant and that forces a Rumbelle reunion, I will be so mad. I think a rumbelle pregnancy might be plausible but it would feel really forced to me if that is the way rumbelle is solved.
I feel same way about Outlaw Queen. We already know they had tacos and coffee, it would also feel forced if Regina turned up pregnant. I mean, seriously, is Robin ever going to be in a legitimate position where he actually makes a decision rather than to react to stuff that happens?
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ParticipantI think the adult who played Stefan in the movie was reasonably good. I didn’t leave the theatre liking the character, so I think he did a decent job.
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ParticipantBravo @PriceOfMagic for this whole post here.
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Participant1) Favorite episode of 4A?
I think it’s between Fall, Shattered Sight and Heroes and Villains. Visual wise, Fall is beautiful.
I realize there were moments that were laggy in Fall but visually, the last moments were stunning.
As for Heroes and Villians, I think if Belle had not taken care of business, then this would not even be counted. But I loved the angst from everyone.
Shattered Sight – Ingrid’s final moment in the cave, Elizabeth Mitchell did an awesome job. I’m going to miss her.
2) Least favorite episode of 4A?
Breaking Glass. As an Emma fan, I think I despised all the present day stuff with Regina and Emma.
3) Overall thoughts on the Frozen storyline?
The Frozen cast was brilliant. I love them all, even Hans. All of the actors and actresses were so perfectly cast. They were all so wonderful and Elizabeth Lail, not bad for your first acting gig. I wish her the best of luck in the future. She was so adorable as Anna and Georgina was perfect as Elsa. I’m going to miss hers and Emma’s friendship.
4) Favorite moment or arc within 4A?
Its so hard to pin point one because I think there’s stuff I loved from each episode.
Emma asking Hook out on a date.
When he showed up at the Sherrif’s office at least the end of Breaking Glass and she let him look at her childhood box and him wanting to know more about her.
Belle saving Hook in the winter finale and finally coming to terms with the person Rumple is. I can’t think of a better way that could have been handled.
Seeing more Emma flashbacks in Heroes and Villains. Abby Rose, the girl who plays teen Emma, is awesome. And I loved her interactions with Ingrid.
5) Best Frozen Adapted Character?
All of them
obisgirl
ParticipantFor mobile users, there needs to be a post button on the chat.
Does pressing your keyboard’s Enter button not work?
Never mind
obisgirl
ParticipantHe did play a villain on The Originals — makes me think Once’s Stefan will be as duchy as the movie’s version with Angelina Jolie. He deserved to die so badly.
This is the actor:

But for some reason, he reminds me of Gordon Ramsay.
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