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What did you all think of Snow in this episode?
Honestly? I am exasperated with her and Charming. The writers are trying so hard to shoehorn in all the themes of Frozen that because Emma = Frozen Move! Elsa, they are making Snowing out to be the parents who are rejecting their daughter out of fear. In what universe do Snow and Charming not go after their daughter to at least TALK to her??? In what universe does it take a pep talk from Regina (the step mother who tried to kill Snow…) to remind them how to parent? Does anyone else remember when Snow and Charming knew they might die but they followed Emma in the mines anyway, believing in her and believing in what she might be able to do??
I agree.
This was brought up in the CS thread.
As a parent myself, I really didn’t like how they portrayed the Charmings last night – especially Daddy Charming. I am NOT one to jump on the “Out of Character” bandwagon but I felt like something in particular he said was totally out of character. At one point Charming said something like it might be better for Emma to go ahead and get rid of her powers because it would allow her to be normal. That is not EVER something that Daddy Charming would say about Emma and that is a terrible thing to say about your child, no matter how old they are, I was not surprised that Elsa AND Regina were horrified by the fact that they felt that way. Seriously, substitute ANYTHING “different” in place of “magic” and see how it sounds to have a parent say it might be better to have their child get rid of it so they can be normal. “It might be better for her to get rid of her asperger’s so she can be normal.” ” It might be better for her to get rid of her wheelchair so she can be normal.” “It might be better for him to get rid of his dyslexia so he can be normal.” “It might be better for him to get rid of his blindness so he can be normal.” Wow, that sounds like a super parent. Because the message you are sending is that you are NOT normal the way you are. Granted, parents want to do everything they can to help their kids live the fullest life possible, so doing whatever they need to do to help and support Emma with her magic – wonderful. Just like good parents would do everything they can to help and support their kids with any of the above. “Normal” is a relative term – and actually one of the things that I found surprising about the fact that they chose to have Charming use the word. We are talking about fairy tale characters from the EF Forest here. Is it really NOT normal for people to have magic there? Can someone please describe what IS considered “normal” to those people???
It also reminded me of Snow’s confession in the Echo Caves. Before the wanting a baby bit.
Our daughter is a beautiful, smart, amazing woman whom I love very much, and of whom I could not be more proud.
I know Snow and Charming love Emma and all, there’s only so much they can do as adult parents to an adult child who can make her own decisions, but I’m not sure common sense exists in EF parenting.
He did lie to her initially about his plan, but when she asked whether she’d be all right afterwards, he was (for Rumple) reasonably honest. The line that sticks out for me is when he tells her outright that she doesn’t need to change. It’s buried in his otherwise honest assessment of her that he’s still using to manipulate her into giving him her power, but I think there’s a part of Rumple that didn’t want to hurt her.
You know Keb, I think you’re probably in the elite few on this board who still see good in Rumple or at least try to rationalize he’s still good.
I quite frankly lost faith in him a long time ago after 4×04 and especially 4×06. True, he didn’t shove Emma into the room where the hat was but still had other opportunities to tell her what was really behind that door.
But I can’t ignore how he gleefully told Ingrid that he’s going to take away Emma’s powers in her lair. He came there to gloat in her face. Let’s face it.
That doesn’t sound like someone who has regrets or cares about what’s about to happen to the other individual. That is a psychopath, IMO.
I think the problem with Rumple is that it’s not entirely clear on screen what is he ultimately after.
He wants to free himself if the dagger (that’s totally understandable); Belle would understand that. But he’s trying to do it in a way where he still has power. And there’s been very few interviews this season about what he’s after, which further adds to the confusion.
Its difficult in general to feel sympathy for him when he continually digs himself dagger. He’s sabotaging his own happy ending with Belle. And he promised at the start of the season to honor Neal. Neal can’t be happy in the afterlife about what his papa has done.
(5- action is evil, total because it was meant to harm others)
(4- self serving, interferes with others lives, action did not cause harm)I think it’s interesting to bring back this thread. Three seasons ago, I wouldn’t consider evil. But that was three seasons ago.
Based on his recent actions though, I’d say evil, definitely self-serving and apathetic. He knows that he’s bad, done bad things and doesn’t appear to have any remorse about it.
And that is why the 2-hour special felt forced and fake to me since we’ve never had any prior indication of Emma’s magic ever being a hazard or spiraling out of control before Frozen was introduced to the Once universe.
I wouldn’t say that’s entirely true because Emma has been wary of her magic in the past. She’s been reluctant to embrace it. So it doesn’t really feel that far fetched to me that it would suddenly go haywire when her emotions start to boil over. Magic is emotion.
I wonder what will be Cruella’s storyline for 4B? In the movies, she was after those puppies because they’d make a nice fur coat for her. I’m thinking if Adam and Eddy go that route and somehow make her sympathetic (like they’ve done with all their villains), that would probably get a lot of backlash from the dog lovers around here.
She’s plotting something with Rumple and Rumple…he loves to plot.
Bobby does play a very good villain. I think he’s even made a career playing bad guys. Or morally gray at best.
I would still like to know a little more about what his end game, especially since that’s not very clear in on-screen. But Rumple does make the perfect, I will admit, primarily, because he has ties to everyone. He has ties to the Charming family through Henry, Regina, Emma…he knows them all and can anticipate their moves. A good villain understands how the good guys work and uses that to his or her advantage.
Plus, he’s so stealthy about it, that I hate him for what he’s doing, most of the time I want him to die. And I used to really love Rumple’s character. He was my favorite for three seasons. But it’s also difficult because he’s doing all these things and seems to have zero remorse for his actions. He’s an apathetic villain.
At least as Colin said in that recent interview, Hook feels remorse for what he’s done. The heavens opened up when I read that.
I didn’t recognize the name and then I googled her. She was on Alias. She was Sydney’s best friend/roommate, Francie. If David Anders were in this episode it would be an Alias reunion!
