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I hope Adam and Eddy clear up Aurora’s timeline. I sent him a few tweets relating to this discussion. But I’m not holding my breath.
Good on you, Obisgirl
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Even if Aurora was only cursed once, my suggestion on page 3 regarding Philip and Mulan still stands.
To reiterate….not a perfect fit but it kinda fits with some imagination-stretching. It’s like wiggling an almost round peg into a perfectly round hole so that it actually slides in.
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I am not disputing that it’s an error. I never said it wasn’t a valid criticism. It is indeed a valid criticsm of the rules of magic. ******I am disputing it’s relevance in a thread about the *timeline***** It is the timeline we are trying to fathom here, not the rules of magic.
I am trying to stick to the thread title, the topic.
Edit: whether or not the curse needs to be taken willingly does not affect the timeline.
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A lot of this flashback would have made a lot more sense had the following happened: 1) This took place when Regina was already full on Evil Queen and Snow was on the run. Placing the flashback within this time frame would have placed it not long before “The Outsider”, which would match with the timeline. Having this take place during Regina’s apprentice days just doesn’t make sense. 2) Have Regina find Maleficent, because she’s looking for a curse to use on Snow. She finds out about the sleeping curse, and we see her trade the dark curse for it as previously established. 3) We had actually seen Aurora sacrifice herself before going under the sleeping curse.
I agree. This is what should have happened. But this is not the time line we saw, unfortunately.
Besides, again, continuity issues over *how* the curse works does not affect the timeline.
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@KEB I feel for you, having to change the time line all the time. And it is worse for you when eps like ep14 come up and it not 100% clear on the sequence of events. Hugs to you!
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Phil, I don’t have an issue with overall. It’s Aurora. She says in S2 about how taking the Curse was her sacrifice but…that…isn’t what we saw on screen. And I’ll even fanwank away the dress issue since Snow was in bandit clothing when she ate the apple but in her white outfit when Charming woke her (cause apparently the dwarves dressed her…??) But it goes back to what I said above. If we have to start blatantly ignoring past facts in order for the new arc to make sense, this is going to get old right quick.
Not even just that, but the sleeping curse had to be taken willingly. That was probably why they had Aurora say she fell under it as a sort of sacrifice in the first place. We didn’t see Aurora take the curse willingly, as Maleficent simply used brute force to prick her. It was clearly against Aurora’s will, too.
Yes exactly. They made Aurora call it a sacrifice because in S1 Snow took it willingly and then in S2 (around the same time Aurora was telling us about her sacrifice) DAVID was taking the curse willingly. And of course Henry had done the same thing in 121. There are far more instances of the sleeping curse being taken willingly than there are instances of it being forced. Aurora is now the outlier that makes no sense . Even if she was cursed a second time (which would be…weird) the first shouldn’t have worked at all since it’s been established in every other case that it has to be taken willingly.
Yes, how the curse works is a continuity error. But it not a timeline error, as the different rules in magic in this case does not affect the timeline. I am focusing on the timeline, as this the purpose of this thread 😉
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Aurora believed that it had only been a year since she was cursed in season 2 which Mulan had to reveal it had actually been 30 years. Since Regina was no where near casting the dark curse in 414, Aurora must’ve been cursed twice, especially as where she woke up in season 2 looked nothing like where she fell asleep in this episode. In Fruit of the poisonous tree, Regina was still playing the innocent card before she had Leopold killed and revealed her true colours. Snow was then exiled to banditry. We know she met Charming whilst Belle was still at the dark castle and her relationship with Rumple had progressed to banter. Belle helped Philip in the Outsider which was after Skin Deep and Regina was full on Evil Queen at that point and hunting down Snow. Enter the Dragon is definitely before Fruit of the Poisonous Tree. Regina is the continuity issue because her behaviour and attitude is not that of someone plotting murder. Regina was taking away everything Snow loved, the horse was first, Leopold would be the next thing.
Perhaps Mulan got it wrong because she got this information from Philip who also got it wrong because he was cursed too, and no one could tell him properly how long he had been cursed for.
I know I am reaching, but like I said…not a perfect fit, but it does kinda fit.
I had also suggested Aurora being cursed twice, above, and on page 2 I had already pointed out that Regina was not plotting revenge until the events in ep14…so we are in agreement on these two points.
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First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
They could use a stunt double for Bailey just as easily as they did for Ginny.
I imagine that child stunt double cost more than an adult. Besides, though most girls stop growing at 16, some like myself stop at 14.
Regarding Lana’s voice, you don’t need to deal with a can of worms just yet. The only thing you need to disregard is Lana’s choice that was dependent on what she knew at the time. If her choice was due to being told to be the EQ, then yes, we should be irritated. However, if you read my post above, to make things fit you could say that her EQ voice could have been due to a temporary darkness from losing Daniel a second time.
Regarding Aurora, her being cursed is definitely a plot continuity error as in …a cause and effect error. It might not be a timeline error though. Unless of course the writers plan to show her being cursed several times and her most recent one was a sacrifice, but I don’t think that this is the case.
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No I think this is a pretty big timeline issue. Lana deliberately chose to use Young! Regina’s voice during a lot of this and the costume was more Stable Princess than it was EvilQueen. After the Doctor, Regina was in all black because she’d gone dark side and killed a person, had her Evil Queen voice and was ripping out hearts. This episode…she can’t make a fireball. The issue is Snow. If it wasn’t for a much older Snow White–in the Doctor Snow was still young enough that she would have been played by Bailee. This is one of those instances where they should have cut out that moment of Snow riding through the glen.
I disagree.
First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
Second, Lana’s voice was all over the place in ep 14, sometimes Young Regina, sometimes more the EQ. (Many of her facial expressions were pretty creepy too, especially when she looked up at Mal flying about as a dragon). I think the voice she used when she wore the black clothes was Lana’s choice when she did not know that more of Regina’s backstory was coming up in s04e14…because she frequently claims that the actors rarely get to see what happens more than one script at a time. For this reason, I have chosen to ignore her voice for the ep when she ripped out the gypsy’s heart. It is still a continuity issue, but for different reasons, so I think the timeline I suggested on the previous page fits so far.
How long were Phillip and Aurora cursed then?
Quite a while I think. Which I don’t think is a problem because correct me if I am wrong (my memory is hazy) it hasn’t been stated or shown explicitly how long they were cursed for. When Aurora woke up and asked something like ”how long has it been?” I think it can be argued that she was referring to the duration of the curse (I am guessing she asked this, I can’t really remember). (It probably didn’t mean that originally, as A&E don’t plan as far as they should, but I think we can stretch our imaginations a bit and accommodate this).
@WickedRegal your timeline is almost identical to mine, except I place several weeks or months between the resurrection attempt and Regina taking out the heart even though we saw both scenes in the same episode. Between these two scenes, I place all of s03e03.However, like you said, I am also open to the suggestion that Regina ripped out the gypsy girl’s heart a couple of days after the resurrection attempt, and was able to do it at that particular moment because she had just lost Daniel at that point, and her heart was temporarily dark enough to do it. The black could not only represent her switch to darkness for that particular, stand-alone moment, but it could also represent her mourning Daniel (black=funerals). (Yes, her dress *style* represents just her temporary switch to darkness). Then, afterwards, she realized the gravity of what she had done and then started to avoid Rumple…hence s0e03.
Either way, Regina meeting Mal definately happened after the scene with the gypsy and running out of the tavern. Regina still being inconsistent with her magic skills is believable because to re-emphasize, Regina was still struggling with magic when Rumple had to disguise her so that she can pass as a peasant.
Overall, ep14 is not a perfect fit, but it does kinda fit.
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I think it rather unfair to place all the blame on the interns.
The main writers, Adam and Eddy should be able to keep up with all the threads of their own show. If they can’t, (and there is two of them!) it means that the story is to complicated to wield.Also, if they used the full 22 episodes for one major arc, there would be less plot threads to think about thus reducing the chances of continuity issues and plot holes. I really don’t think this split is working at all.
People, including myself, fell in love with a show that took things slower and deeper. I want that show back.
They have a bank of other writers too. I know these other writers might be involved in other shows, but they are nevertheless the people they should be checking continuity with. They shouldn’t need interns for this.
…oh wait…interns are needed because they are cheaper than the extra hour’s payment for the other writers (???).
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