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Fear and Desperation seem to be Rumple’s favorite tools for corruption. See Jiminy, Regina, Snow White, Anna…though in the last case he was merely tempting her in the hopes that she wouldn’t be corrupted. With Snow White, what actually corrupted her was seeing Johanna die. She lost faith in goodness–lost hope that if one does the right thing, good things will happen. We’ve seen Regina and Rumple both succumb to that when they have struggled to reform (and it’s easier for them because they’ve actually tested being bad with a lot of positive results–it made Rumple rich, powerful, and relatively safe, for example, and he had every reason to believe that continuing to be evil Just A Little Bit Longer would have made him more powerful and more safe).

I agree.

Another one…anger. Specifically, anger against someone Emma thought she could trust. Maybe it has something to do with Snowing’s secret.

Or maybe anger against the author or whomever (other than Rumple) decided that she would be savior and because of that her price is that romantic interests around her die  or are just plain weird.

Or anger at Regina for killing Graeme or being the cause of her being alone all her life until recently.

Seriously, though. It could be connected to Snowing’s secret.

Edit: maybe Rumple or the QoD will use her temporarily lack of trust in her parents and turn it into paranoia and hatred.

 

And there is anger’s evil twin: hatred.

 

Just realized…this seems to be very Star Wars-orientated, so I am now thinking about what corrupted Annakin

-hatred, lack of trust, anger…and yes fear for his wife and desperation to protect his wife.

 

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@Slurpeez

It seems you misunderstood my post.

I never excused Regina for her actions after she turned evil (when she was about 20). I was comparing childhoods mostly.

I have a lot of reasons as to why Regina’s childhood and teenage years were worse than Snow’s.

I don’t think you can use Emma and Neal’s as a comparison, either.

It is bed time where I am, but when I have a time I will write a long post detailing my reasons why I think the way I do.

 

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I disagree.

Before Arendelle, I have always taken Realm to mean kingdom.

 

Speaking for myself, I am putting some focus on the definition of realm due to the title of the post, and the content of the original post.

 

 

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Day 22- Funniest Scene

TBH, I don’t think Once does humour very well. I just can’t think of a truly funny scene right now. I mean, I pick up on stuff that is meant  to be funny, but they just don’t tickle my funny bone.

Maybe seeing Leroy running through the streets of SB screaming about Pan’s curse.

 

Oh wait a minute

 

I thought Regina as the EQ during the Shattered Sight spell was very funny. I would have preferred to see dark effects rather than funny ones, but if most of the audience is under 12, then okay I can accept the choice of  putting a light, humorous twist on it.

I just loved Regina’s comical facial expressions. Comedy-evil, not believably evil. Also the sword fight between SW and Regina was much more aggressive and believable then any of the poncing about that Charming has ever done, which made me laugh. These two women meant business! And…ah….The dialogue between Emma and Regina:

Emma: how do you walk in that thing?

Regina: with the grace and poise of a queeeeen.

That was funny.

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onceaholic wrote:

P.S A few days ago I said somewhere on this board that Emma will be tempted somehow by the dark side. Here is some evidence for it.

Yes and A and E sorta confirmed that in an interview a weeks ago that Emma will be tempted. Also, the spoiler about Hook fighting for Emma speaks to that as well

I am not sure if I saw that interview. Or maybe I did….????

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I’m pretty sure they’ve used realm interchangeably with both kingdom and world in the show. Anyway, I’ve started changing things on my spreadsheet and it’ll eventually get changed on the site timeline since I’m feeling more and more convinced that the Enchanted Forest is mainly Leo/Regina/Snow’s kingdom.

Yes, this is what I am going with.

World=FTL

Snow White’s Kingdom=EF. It many also refer to the stretch of trees that cover Snow’s kingdom, and might spread over into a couple of other kingdoms (who knows), but definitely SW Kingdom

Continent/landmass name with EF, Aurora’s kingdom and all the others (except Arendelle)=unknown name.

Arendelle=if you look at the map that Elsa looks at in 4a, it looks like a peninsula accessible only by sea do the mountains in  the north. However, we do not know enough to say if it is a continent or peninsula. What we do know, however, is that is very separate from EF/Mist Haven., and is therefore a separate kingdom from EF at the very least. (Also it would seem that EF/Snow’s kingdom has a coast line, as this was the landing point known to the Arendelle folk).

Definition of Realm within show=kingdom. It could possibly mean several countries or kingdoms under one monarch, like UK, or the UK and its commonwealth, but we have had no evidence of one monarch ruling several lands, so it must be realm=kingdom.

So…just a suggestion…up to you…

Perhaps it would be easier to label the locations as:

-EF, FTL

Arendelle, FTL,

Aurora’s Kingdom, FTL

And not worry about what is a continent, and what is isn’t, and how much of the land mass the actual forest that Snow’s kingdom is likely in the middle of actually covers.

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OMG

This the worst promo they have ever done. Poor quality, and immature. I actually thought it was comedy, and then I realised they were being serious. The 4a promo was bad but this was much, much worse.

Please, please, please….let the actual show slicker and more mature than this promo.

P.S A few days ago I said somewhere on this board that Emma will be tempted somehow by the dark side. Here is some evidence for it.

 

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PriceofMagic wrote:

I agree. I prefer the characters to make their own choices in life for better or worse, not be forced to act a certain way because the author said so. If everyone’s life was dictated by the author, then what did Regina and Rumple do to the author to deserved the life they got?

I think there is an author, or rather, a record keeper. I think the Blue Fairy is responsible for the magic book of the Enchanted Forest the same way that Glinda was responsible for the Book of Records in Oz. It’s not that the author can make people do things, but rather, the events people choose get recorded in the book.

PriceofMagic wrote:

If Blue is the author then both Regina’s and Rumple’s mission to get the author to give them a happy ending is screwed.

Well, the thing is, I’m not sure that either Regina or Rumple have the right idea about “forcing” the author give them a happy ending. That just isn’t realistic. In the end, the message will probably be what Glinda told Zelena, which was that we all have the power to choose good over evil.

As Glinda said to Zelena, “Fate is a funny thing. You don’t actually know if that is what the prophesy means. Remember what I said? Only you can shape your destiny. But if you believe you’re evil, then that is what you will become.” (“Kansas”)

In the end, happiness comes from within, and no one can just be handed a happy ending on a silver platter. Also, the entire concept of a happy ending is somewhat misleading, because happiness is not a permanent state of being. And just because someone does the right thing doesn’t mean he’s guaranteed happiness. Heroes don’t always get happy endings. Snow lost her parents, as did Charming. Emma grew up an orphan. Neal and Graham both died. Regina, Rumple and the rest of the villains certainly aren’t guaranteed a happy ending if the heroes aren’t. But they are the ones responsible for shaping their own fate, as Glinda said to Zelena. In the end, Regina and Rumple will become what they believe they are, either heroes or villains. If Rumple thinks he needs his power to be happy, then I fear he’ll end his days as the dark one and miss out on the real shot at happiness he had before him with Belle. Regina might likewise wish to rewrite history so that she had met Robin Hood in the tavern, but then she wouldn’t have Henry, because the events of S1-S3 never would’ve happened.

I agree with all of the above.

I had always thought that an author did not exist, and that the characters made their own choices. Meanwhile, the sorcerer or someone else enchanted the pages of those books to record the events, thus the books show the past not the future.

BUT

then both Rumple and Regina both failed at their Happy Ending at the end of  the 4a. With respect to Regina in particular, you’ve got to wonder if there not some higher power, and that power is has some amount of control over what happens to these characters, no matter what choices they make. Regina at this point deserves some happiness, definitely. She has Henry at least, I suppose, but the reasons for being happy since her efforts to be a better person seemed to be far outweighed by her reasons to be sad and angry. With respect to Snow, she has had some sadness in her life, but her reasons to be happy seem to be greater at this point in her life, and even in the past.

I don’t know if any of you are familiar with child emotional developement, and different forms of abuse, but Snow’s formative years appeared to be happier than Regina’s. We did not see it, probably because this show is on before 9pm, but I think it is a wise assumption that Regina suffered from verbal and emotional abuse from a very young age. Her father likely did nothing to stop it, which is kind of understandable because I don’t think there is anything he could have done about it, but she essentially had little to  no emotional support growing up. Contrast that with Snow’s formative years (until age 11 ish), and she had two parents who adored her and did not seem to have abused her. Yes, one of them died when she was 12 ish, but she still had the love of  two parents during her formative years. This is far more than what Regina has ever had. Meanwhile, Regina has had to try harder to have good things happen to her, even before she married the King, (such as trying to run away with Daniel)  whereas Snow just seemed to have them handed to her on a plate (with exception of her mother’s death).

So again, there seems to be an author who seems to have it out for Regina, or at least favorites Snow.

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@Onceaholic True but I figured Agrabah was just the name of a particular place, a kingdom/city within the realm. Kind of like Cair Paravel within Narnia. But I can see what you are saying. My biggest thing was Rumps line about the infinite forest when Regina trapped Charming there and I think she also trapped Hansel and Gretel and their father there. I just thought their land was called The Enchanted Forest because it was surrounded by an eternal, inescapable forest where the people who live in it just set up kingdoms. Some places, Aurora’s kingdm or Agrabah may lack tree but may still lay pretty close to the forest. If any of that makes sense idk, I doubt we will ever really know

Yes, this is very confusing and needs to be cleared up in the show.

Right now I am assuming that the Infinite Forest is a section of the EF spread of trees or a separate forest within the same world that though humungous is not actually infinite, and has a spell on it to make it seem infinite…to have the people and animals within it walk round and round in circles by hiding the edge of it, and therefore the entrance and exit points.

…but it is just an assumption based on very little evidence.

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https://instagram.com/p/zYfl5vKpEm/

agnesbruckner1 2 hours ago Things are good. Things are REEEEEAL good. #VanCity #OnceUponATime #iLoveMyLife #ThankYouGuysForTheLove

This looks like the house where the library with the blank books and the hat was found. Would it be too early to congratulate those who guessed Lily is the author, sorcerer or both (or is related to the author, the sorcerer or both)?

I just had to share this. Hahaha XD

This made me larf. So true. So true.

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