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Ooh, excellent. Is this the overdue Robin and Marian back-story, do you think?
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onceaholicParticipantDay 1- Favourite Female Regular Character (Past or Present)
Regina, at all her stages, Young Regina being my favourite.
When I first saw Regina, I thought the actress was terrible-wooden (but I did like the character, sorta). At that time I preferred Emma and Snow. Then suddenly, Stable Boy came around and I got to see young Regina. It was then that it hit me how wonderful Lana Parrilla’s acting was (often better than Robert Carlyle) due to her flexibility, and I decided that she deserved an Emmy for her role.
It was first time for me to see an evil character try for improvement and redemption, so Regina’s storyline simply fascinates me. I think her journey out of extreme Borderline Personality Disorder (not psychopathy) has been both realistic and intriguing, and it is this which keeps watching OUAT.
Oh, and happy birthday to Regina, and happy birthday to me, too!
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onceaholicParticipantWhen I saw the title, I immediately thought of Henry’s heart, too
To weight up the options:
Henry’s Heart: is golden, and Henry is the Truest Believer, so maybe through his belief he can create new destinies for everyone? Regina put a protection spell on his heart however.
Emma’s Heart: Emma is supposed to be vessel of pure light magic. Maybe hers is golden too (and she passed this on to Henry)? Like it has been said, there has been some spoilers that Hook wanted to protect Emma’s heart (or was it keep?). However, not even Cora could remove it in Season 2 as her heart has an in-built protection mechanism
Gold: Without his heart, he will die. Perhaps he will try to change his heart to a better one?
Maybe chasing after Emma’s heart is a rouse, a distraction to trick people when what they really need is Henry’s heart? I can’t imagine that Regina would want to be part of using Henry’s heart in some way…he is her son. I am not sure if she would do that to Emma either. She is more likely to protect them, not use their hearts or kill them.
If it is Emma on Henry’s heart that Gold needs, I hope they show how he got around the protection mechanisms.
Due to Regina’s likely hood of not sticking with the team of villains to use either Henry’s or Emma’s heart (if it is dangerous), it could refer to Gold’s heart after all.
Unless Henry forgets his lesson from Neverland and does something silly and sacrifices his heart, or at least it’s power (while keeping the heart intact).
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onceaholicParticipantNo, no he wasn’t. He was putting up healthy boundaries between himself and his extremely borderline personality disorder/BPD mother. His expectations of her were consistent and fair. You both will have to point to specific examples within context, because I don’t know what you mean, I am afraid.
I’m going to include Henry’s treatment of not just Regina but Emma too. Henry wants Regina saved from the mob because “she’s my mom” despite season 1 being all “she’s the evil queen she must be defeated” then at the end he completely blows Regina off.
Henry was refering to the dark curse and the way she was treating people. He was not referring to her death when he used the word ”defeated.” Defeated means ”lost.” That does not always include death. Meanwhile the Regina is the evil queen, and she had done a very bad thing by cursing all these people…but he still acknowledges her as his mother. This is balanced thinking.
Of course he doesn’t want to be near her at the end of season 1. She was nasty. He loves her, and he knows that she is his Mom, but that doesn’t mean that he feels emotionally safe around her. It makes sense to create this boundary. It shows strength and maturity.
Regina takes Henry under duress but realise that that is not the healthy way to parent Henry. She lets him go with Charming because she wants to be better for Henry and redeem herself, something which Henry encourages. Henry then undermines this in the very next episode by calling Regina, asking to meet up for lunch, which is something Regina is very happy about and rushes to get there, all so he can steal her keys and break into her vault. Regina then phones Charming and tells him where Henry has gone because she doesn’t think he wants to see her. Henry led Regina on and gave her false hope of building bridges with her son.
Yes, this was bad… but what was he looking for in her vault? Was something he thought might help her addiction to magic? Can’t remember.
Rumple and Regina then seal off the portal to prevent Cora coming through but Henry convinces her to unseal it. Despite the effort nearly killing her, Henry completely then ignores Regina because Emma is back in town. They all head to Gold’s shop to save Charming. Henry is hugging Regina and talking about how she saved them but then completely drops her to head off to dinner with the group without so much as inviting her.
He acknowledges that she saved them. He is not ready to invite her because he is smart enough to realize that after all that she has done, she needs to prove her more to be fully trusted and therefore welcome at their table. Again, balanced thinking.
Henry believes Regina has killed Archie, this upsets Regina greatly thus making her more vulnerable to Cora’s manipulations. Upon Archie coming back, Henry proclaims that he “knew” Regina didn’t murder Archie. If he “knew”, why the hell did he not express this view?
Because that’s kids. He learned that from Emma so he trusted her. She was the savior and his other mother, afterall. He was probably 50/50 over it, conflicted and the ”I knew it” refers to the 50% doubt he had while considering that she did do it after all. He knew that there was a chance that she didn’t do it, but also knew that Emma was likely right, too. The other possibility was that ” I knew it!” was used as just as a turn of phrase to express relief, even if he didn’t ”know” anything at all.
I don’t know about you, I have said ”I knew it” after being conflicted over something, and not expressing my doubts because I trusted the opinion of another person over my own hunches. Henry likely trusted the adult (Emma)’s information or opinion more than he trusted his own instincts at that point.
And it is not unusual for adults and children to swing from having the courage of their conviction to having doubt in their intuition.
It is not Henry’s fault that Regina chose to go back to her mother.
In New York, Henry finds out Emma lied about his father. There are valid reasons why she did this. Henry suddenly started treating Emma like he did Regina where his old parent drops out of favour because a new parent has suddenly come on the scene. Emma did not like this and apologises because she just wants Henry to talk to her again
Henry has good reasons to be upset that Emma lied about his origins (which includes who is dad was, whether he is still alive etc), so if course he was annoyed with her for a while. It is not nice being lied to, and it not nice for adopted children to feel like they don’t know their true and biological origins, as it is a part of the self-identity. This is not treating Emma like a parent who has fallen out of favor, and Emma should apologise to him for that.
Besides, I would like to focus on his treatment of Regina.
In a later episode, Henry demands to be told what is going on even though it is absolutely none of his business. Emma gives in, not wanting to suffer the Regina treatment again. Henry then storms off because he didn’t like what he heard.
You will have to be more specific. What were they talking about? Besides, I would like to focus on his treatment of Regina.
Regina misses Henry so much that she just wants him to love her so comes up with the empty heart curse. Henry then has the most stupidest idea ever to blow up magic (it was so stupid, it would’ve served him right if he blew himself up). Regina stops him and he convinces her that she doesn’t need to use the empty heart curse because he already loves her. He then ditches her again once she destroys the curse and nobody tells him how stupid he was for messing with dynamite.
Regina told him that he was stupid for messing with the dynamite. I think he was just trying to protect himself by blowing up magic, but i think he should have told Emma about it so that she could solve the problem in a less destructive manner.
It is not Henry’s fault that Regina *chose* to do the abusive, control-freaky, BPD thing and make a potion that would force him to love her. (So what if she was desperate for his love? No excuse to be a control freak!) Of course he does not want to be controlled in that way. Of course he wants the love he has to give her to be real.vSo…of course he ditches her again. She was being abusive again. Just because you love someone, doesn’t mean you have to tolerate abuse from them. It’s okay to put up this boundary.
I think we can assume that Emma told him off for messing with the dynamite during dinner, that it happened off screen.
To summarize, with the exception of him tricking Regina, his attitude has been:
You are my mom and I love you, but you have done some horrible things in the past and more recently in the curse as the EQ, and you have done some control-freaky things towards me recently, I don’t like that nor feel emotionally safe, so I am going to put some distance between us for now. Also, I don’t want you to die, because you are my mom, but you do need to pay, or better yourself. If you better yourself, I might be able to trust you again.
Before Emma arrived, we learned that Henry wasn’t happy with Regina then, either. When he was given the book, his attitude towards her changed perhaps, and rightly so. Maybe he felt loved in the past before the book arrived, but it is wise to bear in mind his mother’s past and bear in mind that she had been hiding a lot of truths from him. It is natural for a 10 year old to freak out upon learning that your mother is the EQ, and throw the notion of any love she has for him out of the window. Emma held something from him too, but at least she was not as bad as Regina in the past. Out of the two, she was the safer choice at that time.
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onceaholicParticipanthttp://tvline.com/2015/01/15/once-upon-a-time-season-4-cast-patrick-fischler-peddler/
Once Upon a Time is enlisting an ad man for its next arc. Patrick Fischler (Mad Men) will recur on Season 4 of the ABC drama as a peddler, TVLine has learned. Fischler’s character comes across as well-intentioned but is actually a quick-witted, arrogant man with reckless impulses. He will appear in both fairytale land and Storybrooke. Fischler will also recur on Season 2 of HBO’s Silicon Valley as Professor Bannercheck, a very serious academic glowing with self-satisfaction who has relocated himself and family to help the guys at Hooli. Once Upon a Time resumes Season 4 with Episode 13 on Sunday, March 1, at 8/7c.
Random theory is that he’s the Sorcerer And/Or Book Author.
I agree with this one. Peddler could be the writer’s way of disguising the identity of the real character this actor will play. Or perhaps the Author disguises himself as a peddler, selling magic potions and stuff? Perhaps this peddler is from our world and discovers how to give the character’s in folk tales, legends and myths consciousness and create their worlds for them?
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onceaholicParticipantI agree that the door on the book page looks the most similar to the one on the far left on the page that shows the view inside Jefferson’s hat.
Why the focus on that door, I wonder. Where does it lead to?
Maybe it leads to the scorer’s world…maybe to Avalon and Merlin?
It could even be the door for EF…but judging the direction from which Regina and Jefferson approach that wall of doors, it probably isn’t.
Maybe it’s a door that leads to alternative story lines for the person who walks through it?
We need Jefferson back. Afterall, he will know where each of the doors lead to. If he can’t be back, then we need an explanation as to his absence in this particular storyline.
As for Regina collapsing…perhaps she is the kingpin for the story of the residents of SB to go one way or the other. As in, all their fates rested on her choice of whether she chose to run away with Robin that day (for example).
Another idea is that Maleficient knows a spell that allows certain people to see past the door on the page? Maybe there is something special about Regina (again, perhaps because she is the kingpin) that allows her to see other possibilities or other worlds through the pages of the book, and she needs to go into a trance or be knocked unconscious to see what is beyond that door or see what her alternate story line might be?
I am rambling as these ideas come to me. I hope some of it makes sense?
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onceaholicParticipantIs it just me or has there been less sneaky photographs for 4b than for 4a? Is it lack of interest, unwillingness to stand around in the cold weather, or have the set staff been tighter on security?
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January 27, 2015 at 5:24 am in reply to: Once Musical Episode: What Should Be Your Character's Song? #295040onceaholicParticipantOutlaw Queen: Dark side, Kelly Clarkson. Rumbelle (current situation): No light, by Florence and the Machine. Maybe they are obvious choices, but I am going to suggest them anyway. Love the vid above, made me chuckle
I have a better suggestion for Regina.
For her anti-hero song, how about ”I’m a bitch, I’m a lover” by Alanis Morissette?
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onceaholicParticipantI have been watching Galavant. So bad, it’s good! It reminds me of Monty Python. I think it tries too hard to be funny, however (this is coming from a Brit, btw).
7/10.
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Is it just me or does Emma call Regina’s name more often than Hook’s? Not a Swan Queen shipper, btw. Just an observation.
Why can’t I quote twitter images? Sad face.
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