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In Price of Gold, Emma says to Henry (in regards to Ashley) “anyone who wants to be a mother should *(please avoid obscenities)* well allow to be one”. Regina wants to be a mother to Henry but Emma’s not going to allow that which is technically hypocritical of Emma. Regina did a fairly decent job raising Henry however she wasn’t meeting his emotional needs and he felt like she didn’t love him and that she only pretended to. This may not be entirely Regina’s fault, enacting the curse left a void that she would never be able to fill, so it is possible that she loves Henry as much as she is capable but it isn’t good enough. On the other hand, Regina isn’t a great mother, she will often put her own wants and needs above Henry and even when Henry gets hurt, she doesn’t care so long as she can get one up on Emma.
But Regina WAS allowed to be one, for 10 whole years. She got to give it a try. During which time, she kept an entire world enslaved, murdered Graham, tried to arrange for something bad to happen to Hansel and Gretel, tried to arrange Kathryn’s murder, framed Mary Margaret, attempted to kill Emma (but oops killed Henry instead.) and held Belle captive in the basement of the hospital.
If she really wanted to be a mother, then that’s what she should have done, instead of all that other illegal, dangerous, and harmful stuff.
Regina’s need for vengeance has now hurt Henry, mentally, emotionally and physically. The only person Regina really has to blame for no longer being Henry’s mother, is herself.
Henry’s “brattiness” is standing up for the rights of other human beings to live their own lives out from under Regina’s control, or to you know be allowed to live period. Kids these days huh? Thinking he shouldn’t be the only person in town who doesn’t have to fear being next on Regina’s “To Kill” list. I bet he thinks other people have the right to eat and stuff too.
[adrotate group="5"]They were done at various points. The earlier ones seemed to be done early on in the season. The later ones were filmed the same day as Paleyfest (evidenced by them being in their exact Paleyfest attire.) I think they’re just cool featurettes and I’d like to see more.
The Blue Fairy seemed quite settled that the Dark One magic DIDN’T belong in the Enchanted Forest. I’m not sure what realm it came from but if there was any force to be balanced, then it seemed like it was probably specifically upsetting that balance. Who knows, maybe the Dark One’s powers were part of the reason the Enchanted Forest’s magic seemed to be going away.
Blue Fairy: Oh. And you’re not untouched by magic, are you, child? There’s something dark in your life.
Baelfire: My father. He is the Dark One.
Blue Fairy: Oh. I can’t make him the man he was before, but I can send him someplace where he won’t be able to use his powers.
Baelfire: Not a jail. I want to be with him. Like it used to be.
Blue Fairy: Not a jail, young one, just a place without magic.
Baelfire: But magic is everywhere.
Blue Fairy: In this world, yes. You see, what ails your father is specific to our realm. His powers do not belong here. You must go where you can escape this wretched curse.
Baelfire: Go? We have to leave?
Blue Fairy: Yes. It is the only way. Can you do it? Can you leave everything here behind for the unknown?
Baelfire: If it means I get my father back, then yes.
Blue Fairy: You’re a very good son, Baelfire. You are the part of him that keeps him human. That little light inside of him that still glows. It’s his love for you. Hold out your hand.
(The Blue Fairy tosses him a transparent looking bean.)
Baelfire: What is it?
Blue Fairy: A magic bean. The very last one that is known to our kind. The others got away from us. You just use it wisely, and follow wherever it leads you. It will save you both.
It also makes it sound like the Dark One powers perhaps were not even originally evil. Perhaps in the world those powers originated, the power was easily usable for good but it only manifests darkly in the Enchanted Forest. I also wonder if in the world the Dark One powers came from, EVERYONE there had similar powers so it wasn’t able to be wielded so unfairly or dangerously. Perhaps someone stole the Dark One powers from another realm having no idea the transformation they’d undergo. Maybe just as magic will be unpredictable in our world, any magic that originates from outside the Enchanted Forest is also less predictable there.
I thought it’s rather obvious who the Blue Fairy helps. People who call for her by name or wish upon her star. Even if she’s the most powerful being in all of fairy tale realms, no one IN the show has claimed she is all-seeing and all-knowing. That’s just an interpretation of what people think the most powerful being in the universe should have. Still, if she isn’t, then she can’t know every single person EVER who was in trouble so if they didn’t personally ask for her help it’s not like she was ignoring them. She was probably just busy helping the people who HAD asked her or who she’d happened upon/knew personally.
Seems like well why didn’t the Blue fairy help Zoso and free him? Why didn’t the Blue Fairy save Granny’s family from their wolf problems? Why didn’t the blue fairy save Snow White’s runaway horse? Why didn’t she stop every single bad thing ever from happening so we’d have no conflicts in this show at all?
Keep in mind, the 2 Rumple/Baelfire episodes are THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST portions of the Enchanted Forest timeline we have seen and there is NO mention of true love’s kiss in either one of the scenes taking place in that time. Likely 100 years before any other episode. True Love’s Kiss may have been learned to be quite the powerful magic but surely that had to start somewhere with someone realizing it and then that knowledge would have to spread. Not everyone seems to know about it, for example Belle didn’t know.
I think Rumpel has been the player behind of mostly everything from the point after he lost Baelfire ultimately leading to the curse, and our main storyline. Where the original Dark One came from, whether that was Zoso or someone before him, may not be all that relevant.
I think a lot of what we’ve seen that’s being interpreted as evil are the Blue Fairy’s limitations. If she could know and see all, then she would know that Nova dropped fairy dust on Dreamy’s egg, gave him the ability to fall in love and that his love for Nova was true. So it wasn’t that she didn’t believe in true love, she didn’t believe their love was TRUE. Judgmental on her part, maybe but also just something beyond anything she had ever seen in all her centuries alive.
She also seemed to be very slow to learn of the Queen’s curse plans and by the time she did, and had a solution her time (and magic trees) was limited. She also does not seem to be a great reader of people or predictor of their actions/motivations, to realize that Geppetto would not follow her instructions to not send Pinocchio through the wardrobe.
I think it’s just a can of worms if every magic spell can easily be done by someone else’s magic spell. Original Fairy tale sources also show limits in this type of power. For example, the ORIGINAL story of Sleeping Beauty, the “bad fairy” cursed Sleeping Beauty to prick her finger and DIE. The final fairy wasn’t able to just go “Nope, that won’t happen” she was only able to stop Sleeping Beauty’s death by causing a long deep, deathlike sleep that could be ended by a prince. Nor were any of the SIX fairies that had ALREADY bestowed gifts upon Sleeping Beauty able to do anything to alter the bad fairy’s curse. So I don’t think there’s anything sinister behind her not bringing back Geppetto’s parents. Fairy magic just doesn’t work in a “undo any and everything” sort of way.
I also don’t know what was unclear about explaining this magic bean will take you to another world, without magic, where dark one powers won’t work. And she even asked Baelfire if he could leave everything behind for the unknown. The kid was watching his father slaughtering people on a daily basis, maybe she didn’t realize a vortex could possibly be scarier than that.
Yeah, Emma’s name was originally Anna. It seems like they couldn’t get Anna approved by whoever does name approvals rather than them actually wanting to change it. I can’t recall what interview made me think that.
I’d seen this supposed script page on a website months ago but I hope they don’t stick with it because I really don’t like the name Richard. David and James are both Biblical names and for me it seems like a biblical name would fit him best.
I could live with his name turning out to coincidentally be James anyway but I absolutely don’t want it to be David. I feel like David was such a perversion of who Charming was that the name now symbolically represents everything that was wrong with him during the curse. When it comes to melding the two together in S2, I think while Charming will have David’s memories, he actually can’t retain any of the personality because it was such a polar opposite of his true self. Thus the way Josh keeps describing it as “David is dead. Charming is back.”
And I agree and think David should be dead. It would be horrible symbolism for David to turn out to be Charming’s real name, making it impossible to ever truly bury who he was during the curse. I think they obviously want there to be curse repercussions for Charming of course but I don’t think they want the repercussions of David’s cowardice to be permanent. He’s lost enough in just time raising his daughter and grandson and the 28 years in a coma away from Snow. The marriage/affair issues I think are something that can be overcome. So it’d be bad writing in my opinion to force him to retain a name that would symbolize an inability to ever overcome the relationship problems.
You know I almost posted in here about how 28 years locked up could have Belle confused about a lot of objects, but then I assumed she had an implanted memory story about why she was locked up and with it would have been hazy memories of a life outside that I thought might have given her the same ability to use an oven, drive a car, as everyone else has so the objects wouldn’t be unfamiliar. And so, did Rump and Belle walk the entire way to the forest and the well? I guess I assumed they drove until the forest got too dense and then got out and walked. (Because I thought poor girl probably hadn’t walked a long distance in a long time, but it seemed the curse prevented any serious atrophied) But hey, if next season she hasn’t a clue what a car is, I guess that’s a plot hole.
I felt like it was the first sign that Emma’s presence has a physical effect on this town. I always liken the curse to something magnetic, designed to respond to Emma, the magnet. So Emma sets foot on Storybrooke soil for the very first time ever and sparks fly.
I thought it made sense that her presence alone would do something when her decision to actually stay starts the clock.
I don’t know about Daddy’s girl stuff? Stereotype I’ve never seen in real life I guess. I had a great relationship with my dad but mostly by being more independent and tomboyish, rather than because I relied on him.
I like to think Charming will be proud of Emma for growing up and being so courageous and independent.
I’m hoping Emma feels confused, angry, overwhelmed, excited, fearful, and every thing else by knowing who her parents are.
I’m not sure we’re going to see a whole big father/daughter dynamic at first. I’m having a hard time imagining Emma being very attached to him, I guess. Even as much as she’ll realize Mary Margaret wasn’t fully the real Snow (and miss her somewhat), I think she’s very invested in her and would still feel this attachment to a woman who at least still LOOKS like her best friend. She had no major emotional attachment to David (and actually more reason to dislike him than like him.)
I find myself thinking if David’s original plan to leave town had worked out, then when MM told Emma about it she would have been like “I’m sure you’re better off without him and now you don’t have to worry about running into him around town.”
I think Emma saw David as an acquaintance but not much else. I’m not sure she’d be eager to learn more about him but I guess as she starts to see him as the REAL him, she might be a little surprised/pleased to learn he was not the annoying guy David was.
8 weeks on your back, wow, thank goodness you found some way to take the edge of boredom off that.
I love science fiction too. Welcome!
I personally don’t think Rumpel cares about being an outcast either. He thrived on it just fine. I’m not sure Belle will care either. Rumpel’s the only person she knows (well besides Regina who she obviously won’t trust), so I wouldn’t be surprised if she trusts him over a bunch of strangers. I also think after 28 years alone large groups (or maybe just groups period) would be a bit nerve wracking.
The comparison to Sidney Glass was not to insult true love or whatever. Only discussing that who you associate with can have an effect on your relationships. I’ll admit I personally don’t care whose love is true or not or how many true loves one gets. For me, that’s all immaterial. Like whether or not Regina the (likely) world destroyer and murderer loves Henry or not. I prefer angst and drama to romance any day and think this show would be better with less of a focus on twu wuv. But I like the characters. I think it’d be more interesting to watch Belle and Rumpel as outcasts than for everyone to buddy up and hang out.
I doubt Rump’s deal making days are over. Since he probably just gave Regina some powers again, he can probably countdown the minutes until someone shows up looking for his help to stop her.
