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@A Chipped Cup wrote:
I’m afraid of that happening too. Personally, I never really minded that Emma fell prey to manipulation from time to time. It wasn’t her fault. You have all these powerful people who know the truth about the curse and how to use it to their advantage. So, the fact that Emma got tricked a few times is actually pretty realistic and understandable.
I just feel like her characterization was the most inconsistent thing of the entire first season. She has a few strong standout episodes and then a whole lot of idiocy and stuff that made zero sense in any universe. Take for example the let’s break into the mayor’s shed and SEE if there’s a shovel back there that’s broken. Okay, so they do that, they see that there is. Then Emma comes back with a warrant. There’s no way she could have gotten a warrant based on “Well I broke in already and saw it!” so her new information that did her no good legally means she apparently could have just gotten a warrant to begin with and didn’t.
However, with the case of Henry’s father, I do feel that the writers are going to draw the situation with some broad strokes of gray. So yes, Emma may end up looking less sympathetic than before. But who’s to say that Bae won’t either? My personal opinion on the mater is that Emma and Bae were probably both orphans and were extremely lonely and unstable. They probably both got into a ton trouble. So, when Emma told Mary Margaret that Henry’s father was “no hero,” we do have to to take into account that neither was Emma at the time. They both sound like lost children who got into trouble because they didn’t have anyone to take care of them.
For me, taking away someone’s kid is not a “gray area” though. He either was capable and worthy of raising Henry or he wasn’t at that point in time. I have no interest in hearing a whole lot “You took my kid away from me and never gave me a chance” type whining especially because of the Emma blacklash it might create especially since we already have that going on with her now having Henry away from Regina (and it’s not like there’s any question about how evil Regina is at present.) I don’t expect Henry’s father to be obviously/currently pure evil so it’ll be 10 times worse with him.
I think it’s better that in the past neither Emma or this guy would have been good parents to Henry decade ago and the issue be more if the guy’s changed enough to be in Henry’s life now rather than that he was a great guy all along and Emma just didn’t see it.
So, you just don’t want Emma looking bad with someone related to Rumpel? I don’t think the fact that Bae is related to Rumpel makes him evil. I’m not sure what you’re saying here. I apologize if I’m interpreting your quote incorrectly.
I don’t think Bae or Henry’s father or if they’re one in the same will be evil. But no I don’t want Emma to be the next character facing the ire of the fans of the character who “can do no wrong”.
[adrotate group="5"]@Midnight Dreary wrote:
But would it be so hard to imagine that Emma’s viewpoint may be a bit scewed? I have a feeling that both Emma and Bae’s viewpoints will be quite biased. There’s an old saying that goes “there’s her side, there’s his side, and then there’s the truth.” Or something to that effect.
Not saying it couldn’t be, just that I don’t want it to be. Emma’s character’s intelligence was manipulated for most of the first season at the whims of the plot. I don’t want her character taking yet another hit just to make Henry’s father look good.
Thus far Emma hasn’t made it out like she never should have gone to jail or so seems like she fully owns up for that particular responsibility. I’d rather there not be any valid reason to feel like Emma actually should have told Henry’s father of her pregnancy and his existence and allowed him any sort of rights at the time.
I feel like it’s a pretty serious decision to deny a guy the knowledge he even created a kid and I don’t want it to just be that Emma didn’t feel like it or was just angry at him and couldn’t see past that, blah blah. I want that to have really been a right decision and for him not to have been a person you would have wanted raising Henry 10 years ago.
She’s already not a perfect character. I’d rather she not end up seeming despicable especially not with any character related to Rumpel.
I just hope if he IS Bae then the father isn’t immediately white-washed. I kinda LIKE the idea that Bae had trouble adjusting to our world, had some troubles, bitterness and actually made some mistakes regarding Emma. It was over 10 years ago, obviously he could have shaped up since then. Fine. But I don’t want it to come off like Emma just didn’t give him a chance blah blah. If Henry’s father goes from “not a good guy” to just “misunderstood” I’m going to be annoyed.
Whoever Henry’s father is, I would like to see Snow and Charming be a little more interested in it eventually as well. Emma’s convo with MM about him in “True North” practically makes him sound evil so love to see some parental concern on their part about him.
As for Bae, father or not, I hope his stance on magic isn’t suddenly changed either. And that all this time away from Rumpel doesn’t instantly make him soft on him.
I suppose Bae and Emma happening to run into each other doesn’t bug me as much as it could though. While it’s entirely too convenient for dramatic purposes, it still makes sense in this sort of “other worldly connection” sort of way. Like those rare odds where separately adopted siblings feel an inexplicable draw towards each other prior to realizing WHY they felt so close. (Or in less creepy circumstances, when a separated mother/child almost instantly recognize each other after decades.)
Heh, in Fringe, things from alternate universes have a different frequency they give off. So I could kinda see the former residents of the Enchanted Forest all having their own frequency that may make them more likely than normal to find each other.
That picture used to be Rachel Weisz.
But nah, the bow was enough for me, not really wanting to see that dress. Don’t know when she’d wear it. Not good “take back the kingdom” battle gear.
Well and when Henry woke up he said “I love you too.” I figured that meant he’d heard Emma from the “dead”.
I don’t think we ever find out what happens to Rapunzel’s original parents in the fairy tale. They just don’t come into the story once agreeing to give their baby to the witch. In that story, they were commoners, not royalty and instead of going on adventures the prince just secretly visits her in the tower until the witch figures him out, tricks him and he’s blinded. Eventually Rapunzel and the prince end up together so she still becomes a princess that way.
I’m certain we’ll still have the two worlds story structure. I don’t think that’ll ever go away for the duration of the series. The special effects limitations alone require that Storybrooke remains.
I personally believe the Curse is like a “program”. It’s run by an A.I. mostly but if Regina wants to override the system, then she can. I do not believe she individually wrote “everyone’s” story, only those of people she was particularly interested in.
You also could question if the Inifinite Forest is a bubble universe with no “way” out but magic then the mirror could see into that I think. But since it was a sub-universe really that may mean nothing.
@darcyfarrow wrote:
Yeah, but she’s been the sheriff a few months, yes? Wouldn’t you expect a sheriff to have a working knowledge of the major public buildings in town, especially one that size, and to ask why a library is chained shut? Since there’s no “for sale ” or “condemned” sign, I ‘d be asking why taxpayer dollars are going to waste on an unused building.
Who says they’re funding an empty building? I’d think lack of funding would be WHY the building would be locked up. In the current economy having only ONE boarded up building in the whole town is doing pretty good. “Why’s the library boarded up?” “It’s not in use.” Doesn’t mean they have to sell it or knock it down rather than just wait for some funding to open it again.
I don’t think Emma’s under the impression that there’s a fine well-balanced budget in Storybrooke under Regina’s watchful eye anyway. She already knows Regina makes use of funds with no regard for the rest of the board getting to vote on it first. Not that the board seems to care.
Tangled was on my list of movies to watch for the Once hiatus and I got it done. I hated the songs basically. They all seemed half-heartedly done. “Oh right, princess movie=singing. Check that off.”
I think Jennifer Morrison has talked excitedly about Emma being her own brand new fairy tale.I think that’s the story Emma would have. About the Princess, orphaned in a strange land and abandoned by Pinocchio, raised alone and unloved, returns to save an entire world, fights dragons, breaks curses with a kiss, and will probably fight the evil queen possibly even eventually Rumpelstiltskin.
I think we will continue to see the type of “memorable details” of classic fairy tales be things Emma faces but not to have her BECOME those fairy tales, simply to have a story of her own. I think it’d be cool if some day more pages are added to the book to include “Emma’s story”.
I was so insulted that the first “black” princess had to be in a voodoo story, I refuse to watch Princess and the Frog ever. I hope she’s never included in Once even though the show is horridly lacking in some color. I’m trying to brush it off as Canadian casting likely having a limited pool of non-white people I guess but it is a bit glaring. (And don’t even get me started on the number of token black guy TV tropes they managed to put into Sidney Glass. )
Anyway, I think we’ll see Emma deal with internal turmoil but not of the good vs. evil type. More just fighting with her own emotional hurt/damage/walls to connect to being both a daughter and mother now.
I got the impression Emma’s questions rather than literally asking what or where they were was going, okay, how is THIS going to have anything to do with what we’re doing? So yeah, an abandoned library wasn’t going to save Henry so “what is this place, REALLY?”
What I found hysterical is that after seeing a guy turn to wood, a WALL lifting up to reveal an elevator had her go “Whoa?!” Really? That MAKES you whoa? Something any old garage door opener could do. 😆
And then the sword, “Okay, so it’s a sword. Why would I need or care about a sword?”
