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@tiara_rose wrote:
Ok I am no CaptainSwan shipper, but I also don’t want to kill Hook. I think he has a great potential. I mean he has a ship, so he can make lots of adventures from jumping to realm to another (when the writer want, there will be possibilities – The 2nd Had of Jefferson-). I mean some character want to go home maybe. I think the only one character from fairytail land they don’t want to go back is maybe Grumpy and his fairy. Also he could went back to fairytail land, meet Mulan and Aurora to help them find Phillip to get over with “his sword fights” with Emma and solve the triangle they have or he can stay here and will be a social worker for “lost kids”.
I love the social worker idea.
And, Bee, Colin O’Donoghue is a “Lust Bucket”? That was hilarious! True, but funny! Your post was right, too. I also like how you picked up on the contrast of sissiness of other men on the show. That may explain quite a bit, as to why people are so drawn to Hook.
I read another one of your posts in another area. You said that Hook and Emma are TV’s next power couple. They absolutely could be, providing the writers don’t sit on their hands.
[adrotate group="5"]@myril wrote:
To rub salts into the wounds: I want good story telling…
We all do. That’s why Hook is so popular. This character has so much potential, it’s incredible (providing somebody does something with it). That’s why fans are so intrigued. Not just because he is adorable, but also because he is interesting.
@myril wrote:
that is what really keeps me watching a show, not liking particular characters….
It should be quite obvious that a large portion of the audience disagrees.
@myril wrote:
So, if they can’t come up with a good story for a character or not with a good way to integrate a character into the story lines they’re telling, I want them to let that character go, no matter how much I like the character. And I want them to do it, even if it means losing a number of fans or people
Lack of perspective, and creativity
@myril wrote:
new ones will join, if you still are telling good stories. Or maybe not, but that is a risk you have with any TV show with whatever you.
People don’t like being treated like objects. If the word gets out that’s how OUAT’s writers view it’s viewers, people will be turned off (as they should be).
@myril wrote:
And if the writers have a good story line which means killing a character I like – well, tough, but go ahead, kill the character. And let’s stop talking just about Hook. He is not the only character on the show, and the unsubstantiated panic that is spreading, is becoming annoying..
Viewers are not subject to your likings, or dislikings. The scope of a writer’s capactity makes him/her subject to the conditions her/his efforts are aimed to impact; thus, the public.
@myril wrote:
Starting to make me wish, that we should get done with it, kill him, just to move on. From my observation doubt people want to live with Hooking being only in every third episode, and then even just for a minute or so, that doesn’t leave many options besides killing him once the revenge story line is done
Toothfairy isn’t the only one who pays attention to social media. I do, too. Get a clue. When a favorite character dies, fans don’t just feel like it was done to the character, they feel like it was done to them. This is not about you, or artistic prowess. This is about the viewers, and they’re feeling really gun-shy about getting attached to Hook because they’re already afraid he’ll be killed. Let’s put that in the perspective of a business. I won’t get very far, if my customers tell me what they want and in artistic expression, I tell them what they really want. That’s not going to get very far, when the intangible meets the tangible. In fact, over time, I’ll probably be planning my going-out-of business sale. I was watching a documentary last night on Costco, and they were talking about how many businesses (large ones, like Woolworth’s, K-Mart, Sears) took their customers for granted, and “forgot their place” in the scheme of things. Whether it’s writing for a show, running a business, or whatever, the conditions remain the same. The supplier is subject to the consumer and without the consumer, there is no demand. If there is no demand, then there is no product. Remember: The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. So boldly go! 😉
@myril wrote:
Saying that, because there are characters like Archie (although some are complaing about him being seen so seldom this season so far) or Belle, who very well work without being around much in every episode since they first came onto the show. Be honest and ask yourself if Hook could work that way..
If someone put due time and effort in the creativity needed to do so, then Yes!!! Nothing noteworthy is ever accomplished, by playing it safe.
My house won’t clean itself, and I’ll live in a dump if I don’t lift a finger. Same analogy, here. If you don’t try, it doesn’t get done. The next step, then becomes the asking, of why. I have a very simple answer: Priorities, whether placed correctly or not, inspired by perspective.
Don’t worry. He’s still redeemable (if the writers take the effort and time to do that). No, he won’t be a missionary, but he doesn’t have to always be a bad guy. In fiction, nothing is impossible.
I love stories of people coming from out of the ashes. In my own life, I’ve known people (one person in particular), who I called horrible, and evil. Then, life experiences brought such lessons, and such grief that he did a complete 360 degree turn and is a different person today, than he was 20 years ago. Even his own son said anybody who hadn’t seem him in that long wouldn’t know that’s his father.
It really is possible for people to change.
@The Fairest wrote:
I just want to say that I do love Hook. He’s one of my favorite new characters this season. A huge grin comes across my face whenever he appears on screen. 😀 But I’m not afraid to admit that he is a little twisted. But I don’t have a problem with that. That makes him even more intriguing.
A lot of people feel the same way, Fairest. Look this guy up in twitter (Colinodonoghue1). The number of posts he gets is absolutely huge. There’s even a hash tag, now. His followers belong to team #hookers .
@The Fairest wrote:
^Are you sure? Hook literally said “So pretty, and yet so useless….
I heard “useless” as in a term of pathetic. As in “pretty, but so evil”. She’s not evil, but he doesn’t know that she probably has no idea that RS killed somebody. I wonder how she’ll react, when she finds out he did that.
As for the term “useless”: I live in the south and here, when we call somebody useless, it doesn’t mean we can’t use them. It means the person is a low down, dirty scum bag.
@Cherish wrote:
Yes, it’s always wrong for a man to hit a woman. I’m not excusing that. I just want for the viewer to look beyond the realm of numero uno (number one, the “victim”), and try to see the situation from somebody else’s perspective before joining the group of people in our world who would rather be victims; who put everything they see, even fiction on an altar with their own name on it, before remembering to think of somebody other, than themselves.
We already know Hook’s point of view. He didn’t hit Belle because she deserved it or did something terrible to him. He hit her because she was no longer of any use to him. And then he preceeded to try to kill her. We don’t really need to understand his point of view. We already saw it. He was about to commit the exact same act that he hates Rumpel for doing. Killing an innocent woman.
I understand Hook wanting to kill Rumpel, but Belle is a complete innocent in this situation.
What I got from it, was that he thought she was protecting the man who killed someone who he loved. I don’t think he believed a word she said to him. If she was of no use to him, why kill her? Why not just leave? Because, he was emotionally charged, and his anger was directed at her Why? Because in his eyes, she wore a crime that was committed.
Sorry but at his core, I just don’t see a woman-beater, or a lady-killer in Hook. Maybe I give people too much credit, but I just don’t see it. Should she have it her? No. Should he have tried to kill her? No. But, put yourself in his shoes. If somebody brutally killed soembody who you love and you thought somebody was an protecting that person from justice, how would you feel about it? I’d need for somebody to hold me back.
In his eyes, Milah died for nothing. He wants justice for her.
Yes, she was RS’s spouse, but she was Hook’s significant other. Yes, maybe what they did was wrong, but that doesn’t negate what Rumple did. Belle might not have been protecting him, but I’m looking at this from Hook’s point of view. Who really loved Milah? RS was a coward before he was evil, and he is evil now, and he became the Dark One because of being a coward. The root of cowardous is selfishness; the love of one’s self before others. RS loved his marriage, but he didn’t love Milah. Hook did…and can’t come to terms with his grief. He is selfish, yes, but let’s put that on a scale according to the root of his passions.
I want to see redemption for Hook. I think that’s possible, because I see far less selfishnes in him, than I do in Rumpel. Yes, Hook does some selfish things, however it is with purpose, and he is a good chess player. Rumpel while appearing to be a fairy God mother to Emma (in the finale), is still evil, as he ever was. While she was fighting her way back, she was expendable in his mind, because both he and Regina had something to gain if she, and her mother died. I’d also like to see redemption it for Rumple…if that is possible. The truth is though, that he didn’t just kill his ex-wife. He brutally murdered her. He should be tried, convicted, and punished for what he did.
Yes, it’s always wrong for a man to hit a woman. I’m not excusing that. I just want for the viewer to look beyond the realm of numero uno (number one, the “victim”), and try to see the situation from somebody else’s perspective before joining the group of people in our world who would rather be victims; who put everything they see, even fiction on an altar with their own name on it, before remembering to think of somebody other, than themselves.
Agreed, however I have to consider motive. I am not so sure that his hitting Belle, while in poor judgement, was not an emotional response. If he thought she was aiding and abetting a murderer; protecting the man who murdered Milah, in his mind, she might be an accomplice. If this were real life, and I thought somebody was going to protect an evil maniac who brutally murdered my spouse, if not held back, I might be prone to hitting that person, too.
Once of the things that makes Hook so interesting, is that he can never be a squeaky-clean good guy. He can be good, but his halo will always be cracked. In several places. That said, this just opens the door to more possibility for the writers — providing they take the initiative. That’s one reason I want Hook to stick around. They haven’t done enough with him yet.
I agree, Bee. Consulting fan ideas should not be below, or beyond the resources Once’s writers might reach out to. I hope they know how it will impact viewers, if they kill off Hook. It would be more than a disappointment. This would be a great let-down. Keeping him alive and productive, if even not directly on the scene, is a good way to go. Good ideas, Bee. I think that’d be better received than his death.
