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@PriceofMagic wrote:
@Oncewatcher wrote:
Read my post. It directly addresses that. Sorry for it’s length, but it’s worth it.
I’m in the process of reading it. 🙂
I get that Hook is your favourite character and you want him to stick around. He’s not mine, I don’t really care what happens to him. I like him but I don’t love him.
I don’t want them to redeem every single villain that pops up on this show. They’re in the process of redeeming Rumple and Regina. For me, that’s enough. If they redeem Hook, why not redeem Cora as well?
I don’t want them to say all of Hook’s behaviour is because he wasn’t loved. I don’t want the reason he became a pirate and decided to take revenge against Rumple is because his daddy didn’t hug him enough as a kid. Hook is a bully and that is before Rumple killed Milah.
Hook is one of those characters where the badder he is the more you love him. They can’t keep him at full on villainy if they want him to survive on the show but at the same time it wouldn’t be right to turn him into one of the good guys.
Because we’re not going to agree whether Hook should stay or go, I’m going to change the subject slightly.
One of Hook’s main reasons for revenge against Rumple is Milah’s death. Do think Hook and Milah had True Love or was it just love?
I’d like to see them try to redeem every character on the show, at least once. Being fair and forthcoming, maybe the reason for my perspective is because of the beliefs I have about what constitutes a “savior”. Where is the saving, if there is no offer for grace? For me, from my own perspective, I don’t see a “savior”, unless the “salvation” includes a chance for redemption among not just the “good guys”, but also to the proverbial tax collectors, theives, murderers, liars, etc. who are the ones that really need compassionate opportunities to move beyond their own status quos; to have their chains broken. In other words, for the “savior” to highlight potential in the very people who the common person in Storybrooke might reject, and never think twice about that person’s possibilities and potential for being more than what they’ve tagged them with.
I think that’s the root of it all, for me.
To answer your other question: Easily as Milah left Rumple, I’d have to guess not. At least, on her part. There’s a saying I know about people who date married people: If they’ll do it with you (cheat on their spouse by dating you), they’ll do it to you (cheat on you). Milah had a problem with selfishness, and it manifested itself, in part, with a lack of loyalty. Hook would have eventually been victim to that, when her heart became restless again, and it would have. As for Hook, I think he really did love Milah. I am not sure it was truly mutual. I think they both filled a need they both had, for different reasons, “in the moment”.
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Dysfunctional. I’d imagine his childhood was probably traumatic. I’d imagine he has been let down over, and over, and over again and takes it out on the one man who he has left in his life to blame for his hurt: The man who killed the woman he loves. He’s attaching his pain to Rumple. What Rumple did was horrible, but there are a lot of faces on Rumple’s face from Hook’s life. He’s not had anyone in his life, who really helped him sort through the things that hurt him, or to help him find which shelves to put them on. He needs love, himself. He told Emma she had too little love in her life. Truth is, I’d bet, so did he. The hurt he suffered made him angry. That’s what led in one capacity or another, to piracy and then after, to revenge.
I’ll bet Hook made a big mistake with Milah. She was loved by him yes, but she was a substitute. She represented someone in his life who he lost and through her, in his mind, was “given back”. Rumple represented someone else in his life, who hurt him (maybe his father), who took that away from him (again).
Hook knows all about distrust. He said that Emma needed to learn trust. He probably did intend to deceive Emma. Truth is, I bet someone else said that to him long before he met her, maybe Milah. He doesn’t trust anybody. The one person who restored to him the possibility that it was safe to do that, was taken from him.
As for leaving: Who in the world says he has to? Who says he and Emma can’t just be good friends at some point? Who says he, and Rumple can’t at some point, bury their axes in a matter of understanding eachother? Who says they can’t get along? For long as Hook’s emotional and psychological damage goes unattended, he would be a threat. What if though, Archie had a big hand in basically, please forgive this because it’s not meant to be humor, The Hook-whisperer?
Also: About too many characters being redeemed: This is a process. It doesn’t happen overnight. They (Hook, Regina, and Rumple) will back-slide from time-to-time (more story).
The only way I can see how anybody would throw this away is if they just refuse to open their eyes up, look beyond the end of their own nose, and “see the light” of possibilities? If he has to leave, I’d say he finds himself outside the borders of Storybrooke whether in a new series, or not; but in present day, maybe without his memory, maybe with his hand. That’d be in the details What would still be present no matter where he’d be though, is his personality, and his heart.
Hook is a man of passion. He wants to be loved. Until he can put his complications away though, he has to learn the aspect of grace and forgiveness before being capable of receiving love. That’s where the story is, ladies and glentlemen. It’s in that journey. A journey that you are suggesting should never take place. Something that would just leave us asking what could have been, in disappointment and regret. It doesn’t have to be like that. Not if the right people are brought together, in the right forum, for the right purpose.
Only if done in a present-day context. Otherwise, it’d be a very big disappointment. Just like Once Upon A Time is. How do you do that? How about exile from beyond the borders of Storybrooke?
You guys won’t have to worry about me becuse if Hook dies, you won’t be hearing from me anymore. There really won’t be anything to keep me interested in the show at all.
Well here’s an original thought: Emma’s supposed to be a savior, so where’s the grace? Why don’t they redeem Hook? Long process. Great story. Great drama. Happy audience.Writers with half an imagination. If they are so boxed in that they can’t accomplish that, why am I watching this show, much less appreciating it? Not, if they have rocks in their heads.
Oh, here’s a great idea for a tv series: “Once Upon A Time” The show where we recycle story lines, treat your emotions like a puppet master, put our viewers “in their place”, reject any, and all ideas other than our own, and then pat eachother on the back for a job we can continue to re-define an evolving justification for being well done to save face, while we kill off your childhood heroes. Be careful before you tuck in junior tonight, moms and dads. If little suzie wants to hear you read Cinderella to her again, be ready to explain why Gus-Gus is dead. Little Johnny wants to hear Peter Pan before you tuck him in? You can tell him we killed Captain Hook.
They can keep that for themselves. I want no part of it. There’s nothing in it for me. It’s not entertaining. It’s sick.
Here’s another one:
Fugued_Out: @aikaterinik @oncewatcher1 @colinodonoghue1 OMG NOOOOO I am SO not watching if Hook is gone, I started watching cuz of HOOK !
I could spend all day on this, but I can’t. Point is, interest in Hook is not defined by posters on this board. It’s defined by results, and by random, unprejudiced chatter (like in social media).
Don’t blame me for the topic that resulted in that poster’s comment. I didn’t start it.
I don’t think he’d be kept around, just to be kept around. His story has depth, and is like a lego block. It’s got all kinds of stuff on it for them to keep building onto it with.
What it comes down to, is the writers need to stop hesitating to take they have, and run with it.I was looking for an article, and I found it. It’s about ratings, and Hook if anybody’s interested.
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/73283500.html
As for hurting the story, look at this:
If nobody else wants to do their homework, I will do mine:
zoe @z0b0
@Oncewatcher I know plenty of people who were going to stop watching til hook came in. And they will stop watching if he’s gone.View conversation Hide conversation Reply RetweetedRetweet
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FavoritedFavoriteWriters, producers, etc. need to spend a regular amount of time searching social media to “spy” on what the viewers are saying. They’re tired of the rotating door (again, comes back to the question of objectives, versus desired results).
I honestly don’t recall hearing about any other cast member raising your ratings. In fact, quite the contrary.
Well, you got my point. The viewers are already frustrated and angry over the losses of Graham and August. The audience wants to be entertained, not exasperated. The core of my point is that I believe that if they don’t keep Captain Hook on Once Upon A Time, it will be a big mistake. I’m not sure it’s one they would recover from.
Not learning from your mistakes is the best way in the world to defeat your purposes, and sabotage your efforts. It all comes back to a question of objectives, goals, desired results, and most especially, what you’re willing to invest into your purposes in order to achieve those results.
The truth hurts, doesn’t it. The show has a choice. They can be introverted, do what they want for themselves, stay in the box, and keep the revolving door, or they can align their decisions to the pleasure of the people who watch their show / keep them employed. The narcicistsic idea of “art”, and “it’s all about me” looks good, but it’s like a car sitting on a lot without any gas in it. It looks pretty, but if it has no fuel, it’s not going to go anywhere.
The. show. is. not. about. the. writers. It’s not even about the story. It’s about the audience. That’s a key point that has to be drilled into the mindset of ABC, before Once can be truly successful. When that happens, things will improve. Otherwise, status quo.
Once won’t see season 4. It will have been sacrifiiced on an altar of inflated egos.
Interesting: Recently, Fox News (link below) was talking about an American Freshman Survey, which has accumulated data for the past 47 years from 9 million young adults, reveals that college students are more likely than ever to call themselves gifted and driven to succeed, even though their test scores and time spent studying are decreasing.
Fascinating to see how the decline of humility can so tangibly represented.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/08/are-raising-generation-deluded-narcissists/#ixzz2HfqJnOQN
