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Is it weird that I want to know what Jenny thinks about Neal’s demise? I remember her Swanfire feelings on the podcast back at the end of S2 were adorable.
You’re not alone. I really want to know as well. I’ve never quite figured out why Jenny wanted to stop in the first place, but I really wanna hear her thoughts on this.
Does anybody listen to Greetings From Storybrooke? I haven’t yet listened to their show about this, but I rattled off an angry, sleep-deprived email at 7 in the morning Monday and haven’t yet gotten over my embarrassment that it might’ve been read.
I haven’t. I’m scared to listen to any of the others because I don’t wanna hear the whole “he had to die” speech. I’m avoiding all those conversations for the sake of my own sanity and blood pressure.
Anne Marie is Team Swanfire 4Eva, so I can’t see her being pleased…at all, but yeah, I can totally see Bill being slightly smug about it.
I think I’d be cooler with the global reactions if people would collectively admit that there is a backstage element to this. I was one of the diehard Mary/Matthew shippers on Downton Abbey, and the fact that JFellz was very public with, “it was Dan Stevens choice to leave the show” made how all that went down more palatable. It’s not great storytelling, but at least I don’t have to swallow the “it was what we were planning all along” shtick.
I’m not going to lie, on the show notes for the 315 episode of the podcast, the suggestion that only SF shippers didn’t like Neal’s death annoyed me. Rumplestiltskin has been my favorite character since the inception of the show, and his relationship with his son is the nearest and dearest to my heart. I also lost my father suddenly and tragically at age 14, so Bae is very personal to me. That father/son reconciliation and chance at a happy ending is the fantasy that drew me into the show, especially after episode 214. I find myself way less interested in what Rumple does next, which depresses me. I love that character BECAUSE he was driven by love of a child.
[adrotate group="5"]"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
Is it weird that I want to know what Jenny thinks about Neal’s demise? I remember her Swanfire feelings on the podcast back at the end of S2 were adorable.
Does anybody listen to Greetings From Storybrooke? I haven’t yet listened to their show about this, but I rattled off an angry, sleep-deprived email at 7 in the morning Monday and haven’t yet gotten over my embarrassment that it might’ve been read.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
I don’t think I could sit around with people pretending like there’s a chance that the fundamental vision for the show hasn’t changed halfway through. I have way too strong opinions about this and everything else, lol.
Haven’t listened to the podcast yet, for the record. I definitely will, if only for the Neal discussion. I can’t bring myself to care about much else that happened, his terrible death marred it for me.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
That was super touching, theoniongirl. Love it.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
Slurpeez108, I really appreciated that you had the courage to beg the question: is the show even about hope anymore? And in general I really feel sympatico with your reaction to everything that’s happened. I have creative aspirations, and I really looked up to A&E for the story I believed they were telling. Once was such a refreshing show to me when compared to all of the fatalistic and depressing “dark and gritty” TV that is so in vogue these days. It feels as though they have switched tacts and are now trying to follow the shock and disturb, “no one is safe” mantra that scripted TV shoves down my throat.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
I really don’t see how you could ever plausibly make the argument that “all of Neal’s story was told.” I’m so flabbergasted at the wasted potential narrative, I can’t help but understand why all the “he’s not really dead” crack theories keep coming up.
Sometimes I listen to Once podcasts and get extremely frustrated that I can’t jump in, I wanted to make sure I wouldn’t be tearing my hair out before I listened.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
I never listen to the podcast live…RG, did you feel like you had to really defend your “this wasn’t a good send-off for Neal/episode/anything” position, or was there a lot of pushback? Jeremy didn’t sound too into it in the initial reaction.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
Its ironic now, but I still completely stand by the essay I wrote on tumblr a few weeks ago about why Neal’s death makes no narrative sense. It’s a retread that sends the worst kind of fatalistic message. Also…what the heck are they going to do with Rumple? I see no foreward trajectory for that character outside of bonding with Henry, which…eh, I don’t see being a focus of the showrunners, somehow.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
Hey guys. Ouatrandothoughts, izzythehutt, Isabelle…some of you may know me from tumblr, LOOOONG time lurker and listener to the podcast (there was a period of time where I was faithfully writing in every week) who had to come out of hiding to tell you all that this thread has been therapy for me. I got three hours of sleep Sunday night I was so angry and upset about the disillusionment I felt at Neal’s horribly contrived death. I’m so grateful that there are other people who understand how this is a huge betrayal of the ethos of the show and completely creatively soul-deadening.
"Death cannot stop true love...it can only delay it awhile."
