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Emma’s threat and Snow’s “I’ll help” were in the shop scene at the START of the episode AFTER Gideon had told her about wanting to save the children and BEFORE the spider fiasco. Emma had no reason to be threatening Gideon at that point other than the fact she was pissed off that Gideon had banished Hook.
I also don’t think we can use “attempted murder” as an excuse not to help someone in this show. For example:
Hook tried to kill Belle and left Emma and Snow for dead in the cell in the EF. Belle and Hook are now friends and Emma is engaged to Hook.
Regina killed Snow’s father, attempted to kill her on numerous occasions and attempted to curse Emma into a sleeping curse via poisoned apple turnover. Regina is now bosom buddies with Snow and Emma.
Emma tried to kill Belle in order to spur a depowered Rumple into action. Belle doesn’t hold it against her.
Zelena tried to use Baby Neal as part of her time travel spell. The heroes aren’t bothered by her continued presence in their lives.
Attempted murder means nothing in this show. Emma is getting all bent out of shape over Hook’s banishment not the attempt on her life.
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Keeper of FelixSo someone please tell me how this is unfair behavior from Emma?
Because Emma is supposed to be a “hero” and rather than showing sympathy towards RumBelle and the situation with Gideon, Emma is marching into the shop and threatening to kill their son all because she’s mad that Gideon sent away Hook. Emma’s anger seems to focus on that rather than Gideon’s attempted murder of her.
The way Emma is behaving right now, Hook deserves better.
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Keeper of FelixI think the reveal that Gideon is a victim of abuse from the Black Fairy and has been his entire life (She emotionally manipulates and controls him eg “You’ll never be a hero, you’re a coward” and “It’s you’re fault I turned your friend into a bug and squished him because you tried to betray me”) actually makes Emma look even worse than she has done previously. Emma is threatening to kill a victim of abuse just because they pissed her off by banishing her boyfriend.
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Keeper of FelixTest because I had a post and now it’s disappeared. Super annoyed, this is why I don’t post often any more. 1. because of the declining quality of the show and it’s hard to get excited about it any more, and 2. Because these forums always seem to be buggering up in some form.
To sum up what I wrote:
Best episode of season 6 so far.
I like Gideon and Rumple for standing up to Emma. Gideon is a victim of abuse from the back fairy and it paints Emma in a bad light when she threatens him like she does.
I wish Belle would be less passive when it comes to threats towards her son.
Hook’s scenes were unnecessary and time could’ve been saved by having him get a bean straight from Agrabah to Neverland.
Bringing back certain characters does make it feel like the show is ending for good and they’re cameoing past characters as a last visit.
I dislike Emma and she gets more unlikeable with each passing episode.
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Keeper of FelixThis has been the best episode of season 6 so far. I’m giving it an 8.
Liked
Gideon’s backstory- What the Black Fairy is doing to him is abuse. I’m not just talking about the heart taking, but about the fact that the Black Fairy is emotionally manipulating him and controlling him. She’s blaming him for Roderick’s death and making him feel responsible because he didn’t do what she said. That is full blown abusive behaviour. How the show handles it remains to be seen as these writers aren’t known for tackling issues such as this delicately. However, this completely paints Emma and Snow in a bad light which I’ll get to later.
Gideon calling Emma out on her self-righteous behaviour- It was about time someone did.
Rumple standing up for Gideon and basically telling Emma to back off from threatening his son- I’m team Rumple on this one. Also Rumple just saved Emma’s life literally, she should be more grateful instead of threatening to kill Gideon. Rumple’s already lost one son because of Emma, he shouldn’t lose a second one too.
Mixed
Belle- I don’t get why Belle is being so passive when it comes to threats against Gideon. The Belle of season 2 would be pro-active in trying to find a way to help her son and save him, not sat around wringing her hands going “I hope he’s going to be ok”. At the very least she should be alongside Rumple telling Emma to back off from threatening Gideon, not standing meekly in the corner. This is supposed to be the same woman who made a deal with the dark one to save her town from ogres.
Hook’s scenes- I just thought they were unnecessary for this episode. In fact, we could’ve possibly saved time by just having Hook get a magic bean from Agrabah to Neverland then being chased by the lost boys. Blackbeard wasn’t really necessary and I think it’s only because he bears a resemblance to the traditional captain Hook that he was there. Also Hook saying that the “worst” of the Lost Boys stayed on Neverland. Well, Felix probably could’ve counted as one of those as he was the most loyal to Pan, yet he was dragged away from Neverland against his will. In fact the heroes would’ve been better off leaving Felix in Neverland as it was his heart that enabled Pan to cast Dark curse 2.0.
Forgotten characters reappearing- We had Ariel last episode, Tinkerbell and George in previous episodes, now we’ve had Isaac and Blackbeard this episode. It’s nice to see the characters again but it does kind of feel like “The show is ending so we’re going to cameo as many characters as we can”.
Disliked
Emma- She just seems to get more unlikeable with each passing episode. She’s threatening to kill the son of RumBelle before and after Rumple saves her life. All she cares about is Hook to the exclusion of everything else. Gideon could’ve killed Hook rather than banishing him, yet Emma acts as if Gideon committed the worst crime ever. The fact that its been revealed Gideon was and still is currently a victim of abuse also makes Emma look worse when she threatens him. There is a difference between Emma maybe having to kill him in a situation to protect herself but she is going out of her way to threaten killing him.
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Keeper of FelixIs it wrong to want Belle to go all “Mama Bear” on Emma and Snow in order to protect Gideon? It’s irritating the fact that Emma and Snow are going to Gideon’s PARENTS “I’m gonna kill him” “I’ll help”. Rumple at least should be threatening consequences if any harm comes to Gideon.
I’m rooting for a RumBelle team up where they go against the “heroes” in order to protect their son.
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Keeper of Felix“Although we killed Pan and freed the Lost Boys, not every Lost Boy decided they wanted to come with; there’s always the true believers.
I hardly think Felix “decided” to come with. He was dragged away from Neverland against his will.
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Keeper of FelixBecuses i must say that besides the Regina one, there was another so called rumor from last night, that was already confirmed to be a lie, people there already said was a lie spread by some crazy fan to make the fandom crazy, i will not tell what was the rumor, but i say, would get many people mad, but since was confirmed to be a lie, there is no need to explain what was this “rumor”.
I’m curious to know what the rumour was since you mentioned it.
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Keeper of FelixI am actually going to defend Hook here. I used to hate him but season 6 has actually made him somewhat likeable. He’s not my favourite regular but he’s now in my top 3 (4 if we’re counting Gideon).
Firstly, Hook should get total props for helping Belle. I’m not talking about saving her from Jekyll (that’s just basic human decency), I’m talking about him offering Belle a place to stay after she left Rumple. The genuine apology was a welcome bonus but he stepped up to help Belle out especially when Emma didn’t give a damn to try and assist Belle in any way. Belle went to Granny’s to ask for a room and Emma’s response was basically “You don’t want to stay here, it’s awful”. That was it. So not only did Emma disrespect Granny by speaking ill of her business but she also didn’t offer Belle any alternative place to stay. It was Hook who actually did the decent thing and provided Belle with some accommodation when she had no where else to go.
Secondly, in regards to Hook trying to burn the memory of killing Charming’s father rather than tell Emma, I don’t hold it against him. It wasn’t the right thing to do but it makes sense. He’d summoned up the courage (dutch courage) to tell her the truth and before he gets the chance, she catches him off guard with the ring. There is a reason why you’re supposed to listen and give people a chance to talk when they are trying to disclose something, it’s because that might be the only chance they do. It takes a lot of courage to admit something, to the point it could literally be a “now or never” situation. Hook got drunk because he needed to, in order to have the courage to tell Emma about what he did, but then then because she jumped him with the ring, the moment was gone and Hook then didn’t have the courage. He knows he should tell her the truth, he’s been told he should tell her the truth, but that doesn’t make doing so any easier. Hook went to the next logical solution, if he couldn’t tell Emma then he’d get rid of the memory all together. It wasn’t right but I can see why he did it.
I actually think we should be more critical of Emma than Hook to be honest for several reasons:
1. She went rooting through his stuff and found the ring. He wasn’t actually going to propose until after telling her the truth. She jumped him with the proposal.
2. Emma was angry with Hook, not because of what he did, but because he didn’t tell HER. That is actually kind of selfish on her part because she cares more about her feelings than the fact that Hook had murdered her paternal grandfather.
3. Hook was using one of Emma’s magical dreamcatchers from her time as the DO. Why does Emma still have them?
ScrewballNinja actually comes up with an interesting point about Emma http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/158969270976/yeah-honestly-if-emma-still-has-all-her
In fact, the real betrayal for Emma isn’t about her father at all– it’s that Hook didn’t let her in because post Dark Swan Emma is *obsessed* with control. She controlled Hook’s death, she controlled his memories, she even controlled him post-death by trying to drag him back to life when he was ambivalent about it. And that’s why Emma shows Hook the ring when she finds it after searching his belongings all day– because now she can control when he asks her because she already knows her answer. Hook is drunk and clearly upset but she still pushes because she’s afraid to let Hook propose on his own. She doesn’t trust him to actually follow through without her guiding the situation. Yikes!
Screwball Ninja also makes some interesting points about Emma’s costuming this season. Basically costuming is used to send messages about character eg the EQ dresses are more cleavage heavy whilst modern day Regina dresses more demurely. Emma’s clothing style has changed so drastically (possibly because of JMO’s input) that it’s not very Emma like.
Emma’s foray into white lacey button-up high-collar shirts is coded as sexual repression– I’m pretty sure that’s not what’s intended. (Even the expression “buttoned-up” is shorthand for repressed.)
These kind of shirts are wildly impractical for sherrif-ing or savior-ing: they limit your arm movements, they don’t handle sweat well, the lace is scratchy, and the itty-bitty fastenings take ages to put off and on. Not to mention it would take Hook forever to unbutton her one-handed. They’re the type of shirts worn by women who DON’T have to swing broadswords down main street.
In fact, if you want your wardrobe to say “open to love” you put the character in soft silks and cotton and open v-necks– open necks are a sign of vulnerability. You know, like Emma wore in S1:
Coupled with Emma’s lack of makeup, these white starched high-collared shirts put her firmly in the “beginning” section of the Repressed Schoolmarm Who Has a Sexual Awakening trope. The only reason IN A ROMANCE for someone to have their hair pulled up that severely is for her lover to take it down; the only reason for a woman to have buttons up to her neck is for her lover to rip off said buttons later in a moment of passion.Screwball also goes on to say
But “The Ravishment of Emma Swan” is not what we’re seeing, is it? On the contrary, the show goes out of its way to avoid any confirmation of consummation and has Hook hang back from Emma’s repeated invitations to come in for Netflix and chilling. The overall effect is weirdly re-virginizing. WHY?…..And now Hook has to win Emma’s father’s approval AND Emma’s approval and regain his honor. This is now the story of a disgraced knight fighting for redemption through Brave Deeds and the woman waiting for her love to come home. Nothing wrong with this trope. I’m fine with this trope. I’ve read some lovely books on this trope … but S1-3 Emma WAS the brave knight! You can’t pull a switcheroo like this on the audience and not expect them to notice.
Essentially Emma’s costuming completely changes the meaning of a scene. A good example of this was Emma’s date dress with Hook. Notice the difference between the two Emma “date” dresses:
One screams confidence, the other says something completely different.
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Keeper of Felix
