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Man, this has certainly spiraled a bit. I will choose to comment on the one thing above. You cannot say SF fans are not bitter but then finish your thought with the last sentence implying that the CS relationship does not have what the SF relationship had, and that Hook was simply the only other option for Emma once Neal died. And then implying that the writers killed Neal off only so that Hook would be the only other option. That seems pretty damn BITTER to me. And I’m sorry, but I’ve seen the SF thread on here. I’ve been kindly asked to leave it a few times. You guys are very bitter and it shows in your explanation of things regarding Hook and specifically Hook and Emma’s relationship. It’s so painfully obvious and yet you guys don’t see it. You can disagree all you want, and perhaps CS fans are bias with there own stuff too when they try and justify the relationship, but as someone who really liked SF, and someone who enjoys CS as well, I see way more bias and ridiculous things coming from you guys.
I think my annoyance comes from the fact you had Hook say to Emma in Neverland “You have to choose” (which led to the line “I choose Henry”) between Hook and Neal, then in 3B the writers took away Emma’s choice by killing Neal off. I’m not saying Emma and Neal should’ve got back together, I’d even say it would’ve been a much more ballsy move to have them not together but co-parenting Henry in a united way. (When I say “united way” I don’t mean together, I mean both share the same views and are a united front instead of trying to one up the other). I wasn’t an SF fan so that’s not the reason for my annoyance with CS, I just think they could’ve done more with Neal instead of killing him off and had CS come together in a way that doesn’t seem like Hook is constantly pestering Emma to return his affections. The early days of CS before they actually got together could be summed up like this:
Hook: Will you go out with me?
Emma: No.
Hook: Will you go out with me?
Emma: No.
Hook: Will you go out with me?
Emma: No.
Hook: How about now?
Emma: No.
Hook: Now?
Emma: No.
Hook: What about now?
Emma: Fine. Just quit asking.
Hook: Yay!
I actually don’t mind Hook in 6A. He’s showing behaviour that actually shows he’s changed such as genuinely apologising to Belle and trying to help her. In that scene he was much more likeable than Emma. If I had to rank the regulars from favourite to least favourite, in 6A Hook has gone from the bottom of the board/near the bottom of the board to at least midway up the board if not slightly higher. I used to absolutely despise Hook and now, in 6A, I actually kind of like him.
I just think the set up to CS was sloppy and lazy (though not as bas as OQ) and could’ve been written, not only differently, but better. That is my complaint on CS. We needed to see 6A Hook several seasons ago.
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Keeper of FelixLove the big wooden red dragon.
That’s got to be Mushu.
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Keeper of Felix“That was you.”
I’ve got it. To show us how different Wish Realm Robin Hood is and that he isn’t a gentleman, he accuses Emma of passing gas when it was really him, and this is her response…
Lol. I wish there was a like button for this post.
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Keeper of Felix1. So we’re just ignoring that he says “it will be because you want me”? He’s not forcing her, he’s not taking away her agency. He’s making his intentions clear but like with everything that has happened in the CS relationship it’s at Emma’s pace. Emma makes all the decisions and Hook is fine with that.
Despite Emma rejecting both Hook and Neal in Neverland, Hook is still telling her that she’ll end up with him and its only a matter of time.
2. I’m not going to entertain it because it’s your headcanon and not based on actual canon of the show. Hook screwed up because he wanted to be able to hold Emma with two hands on their date and so he bit off more then he could chew. Meanwhile Rumple was being Rumple.
Hook tried blackmailing Rumple for personal gain (his hand) and it backfired on him spectacularly. That was actual canon of the show. Hook basically said to Rumple unless you give me what I want, I’ll tell Belle you have the real dagger. That is blackmail. Hook had already pulled that card once on Rumple, this was his second time of doing it.
3. How do I explain the sudden change with Hook? The fact that Zelena gave him back the memories of what happened to him. They were all mindwiped but she waved the Dreamcatcher in his face and he was able to regain everything that happened. That’s why the change was so sudden, and that’s when the Darkness took over again. Because of Zelena giving him back his memories. I will never excuse DO Rumple for the crap he’s done especially ever since he made Hook’s sacrifice in vain and became the DO once again. In the beginning I did, but not anymore. It’s not a double standard either, he just loves power more than everything else and people just have to accept that about him.
The writers have character assassinated Rumple because they need someone to be their substitute villain for when the seasonal villains are defeated. The excuse about Hook being memoryless doesn’t fly since he still should’ve been able to see Nimue because he was still a dark one. He might not know why he was seeing her, but he still should’ve been able to see her. If a memory wipe can stop a dark one being a dark one then why doesn’t someone just do a memory wipe on Rumple? The writers completely botched the DO mythology.
4. Well they are the creators of the show, and from the show that just gave us the disgusting Rumple and EQ pairing it would not surprise me.
So you’re saying you would accept that Sneezy and Granny were true loves, despite not being shown anything to hint to that, all because A&E say they are?
5. Yeah after she asked Charming if he wasn’t pushing her towards Neal because he wanted to keep her away from Hook.
Cause that’s what she said. If that wasn’t enough the following episode Going Home made things pretty clear that it was CS. They got the meaningful goodbye.Charming let Emma make her own decision. She chose to go meet Neal until the shadow attacking the blue fairy side tracked her.
6. No it was not, it was Hook’s. (x)
If you look at the background you can clearly see Hook’s grave. That’s where Hook popped out from then he walked a couple of feet where Emma ran to him. Killian and Robin were buried less then 50 feet apart but that doesn’t mean they were at Robin’s grave. They were not.
Hook’s grave looks like this.
You can’t see Hooks grave in the background in the pic you posted. However, Emma is wearing the same clothes so his grave is somewhere but it’s certainly not where Hook appeared. And they are at Robin’s grave because his coffin is right there when Hook appears.
7. I am saying this is what the show said, this is what the writers said, this is what the actors said, and if people choose to accept it or not is not my problem. It’s canon, it happened, they’re true love, it’s done.
Again you’re ignoring the fact that we’re being TOLD it’s true love outside of the show rather than being SHOWN it is inside of the show. By that logic Emma and Neal were true loves because Belle said the swan pendant were born of true love.
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Keeper of FelixMy goodness. Reading this entire post I see that very obvious double standard in this fandom shining like a neon light…where to start.
1. Why are you holding Hook to things he did in S2 now? Especially when since then he’s changed so much. I know that’s contrary to what many people’s headcanons of the character are. Yes he shot Belle, and in S6A Belle stated that she has changed since then and he’s not the same person.
And I said that 6A Hook was an improvement and that is the Hook we should’ve got a few seasons ago before CS got together. The point I was making was that between Hook’s introduction and when CS got together, Hook had done nothing to warrant Emma seeing him in a romantic light. 6A Hook, you can see why Emma would go for him, season 3 Hook, not so much.
Now as far as Neverland goes I have to ask how you honestly think Hook was trying to get into Emma’s pants. Cause from what I recall he was trying to get closer to her but not with the intentions of having sex with her. If that was the case he wouldn’t have backed off the way he did in episode 10. Besides that Emma initiated their first kiss and mind you he was joking about the “reward” and that has been confirmed by the writers and Colin. He had no idea that Emma was gonna kiss him. She’s the one that took the initiative and she clearly liked it. In Dark Hallow he told her that he has complete faith in her that she will find Henry and he’s made his intentions clear. Winning her heart to me doesn’t sound like wanting to get into her pants, and he even said it would be when she wants him. He wouldn’t force it on her. And that’s not to recall in 3×10 he backed off completely because Henry deserved a chance at a real family.
He told Emma “WHEN I win your heart, and I WILL win it, it won’t be of any trickery”. Now this line would’ve been so much better if they’d used the word “if” instead of “when” and cut out the “I will win it”. As it currently stands, Hook is declaring that he will win Emma’s heart and it’s only a matter of him, which kind of implies that Emma has no say at all because her and Hook being together is a foregone conclusion. Also 3A wasn’t good for Hook or Neal because it had them fighting over Emma as if she was a prize to be won.
Hook essentially telling Neal that he’ll let him have first crack at Emma is not a point in Hook’s favour because, again, it implies he’s trying to make Emma’s decisions for her. It was also implied that if Neal failed, Hook would swoop in, obviously to have his shot at Emma.
As for CS’ first kiss, again the issue is the writing. We shouldn’t have to be TOLD that Hook was joking outside of the show. That needed to be made clear in-show either through dialogue or a look of surprise on Hook’s face. As it is, Hook just looks pleased with himself. Neverland really could’ve done with some daylight scenes though.
Your 4A point I’m not gonna entertain
Why ever not?
S4B Hook was not just relegated to boyfriend patrol. He had many wonderful scenes with Emma, he discussed his happy ending, he and Emma both discussed the situation with Snowing. It’s because of Hook’s discussion with Emma that she saw the error of her ways and decided that her parents were doing what was best for her because they loved her.
In other words, Hook was being the “supportive boyfriend” aka boyfriend patrol.
5A after a season where Hook was literally one of the only people that gave a dang about Emma and helping her fight the Dark One. This was demonstrated multiple times throughout the arc he was then forced to be the Dark One because Emma selfishly decided to save him and sorry Emma can definitely be selfish in this situation especially when Regina was being an absolute hypocrite in The Price. Hook told Emma he wasn’t as strong as her, he’s weak, he couldn’t fight the darkness and that was true. It was clearly painted as that was not Hook, it was Nimue manipulating him.
So are you defending Hook or CS, because you would think Emma’s actions in 5A (overriding Hook’s wish to not be turned into a dark one) would be a mark against CS.
Here’s the thing though, in the Storybrooke scenes before Hook knew he was a dark one, he acted fine. It wasn’t until AFTER he found out he was a dark one that he turned into a complete arsehole. He was a dark one all along so how do you explain the sudden change in behaviour other than finding out he was a dark one gave Hook “permission” to act as bad as he did.
Also here’s the rub, if you excuse DO Hook’s actions because of Nimue then in fairness you have to excuse DO Rumple’s actions too for the same reason. Likewise, if you hold Rumple accountable for his actions then you have to hold Hook accountable too. You can’t have one rule for Hook and another for Rumple because essentially they both had the same affliction.
Perhaps the reason Hook is so divisive is because it seems like there is a double standard when it comes to him and other characters. Hook is not held accountable for his actions when other characters are.
I mean when you’ve got a Greek God saying you belong together, that’s a pretty big indication.
Again, we’re being told than shown. Some things can be explained through dialogue (if the writers bother to do that) such as Hook joking about wanting a reward, other things need to be shown.
If A&E said in an interview that Granny and Sneezy were true loves or had another character in-show say it, would you believe them? They’re telling you they’re true loves but they’ve not actually shown you it. Do you take it as fact?
By the same logic, Neal and Emma had true love because the Swan pendant travelled across realms and Belle said it was born of true love.
I mean if 3×10 wasn’t clear enough, you know Neal sitting alone in the shop…IDK what else to say.
You mean when Emma was on her way to meet him but got distracted by the shadow attacking the blue fairy?
On your 7th point, ah I see so you ignore actual canon and dialogue on the show and focus on head canons okay. Well that’s what was stated on the show, Emma liked the darkness, that’s why that kiss did not work. Rumple was also caught off guard and it was Belle that kissed him, not the other way around. Emma kissed Hook that time. Hook kissed Emma in SB when she believed nothing was wrong with her so it was never going to work on her. Again stated on the show in dialogue, not headcanons.
You could argue that since Hook and Emma were both DOs and thus both cursed was the reason TLK didn’t work. But to says Emma “liked the darkness” was the reason it didn’t work is from a logical point rubbish. DO Rumple like the darkness in Skin Deep and TLK started working then. The writers make up rules as they go along to serve the plot, even if it contradicts established canon eg “dead is dead”.
Eight point. Again stated on the show. Hades stated that Hook was a rotting corpse in SB while they were working in the UW to get him back. As for the other part Zeus said he’s bringing Killian back to where he belonged. It was clearly his pyshical body brought back. He was brought back literally in front of his grave, see the screencaps of that scene for further proof. If you don’t want to accept canon and dialogue over your own headcanons that’s your perogative but I choose to believe what’s on the screen and what is stated in the dialogue.
That was Robin’s grave they were stood at. Also, they could’ve had Regina do a preservation spell on Hook’s body (like she did for Daniel for decades) so they didn’t need to bury him hence it would’ve just been a case of reuniting his soul with his body rather than contradicting the “dead is dead” rule. Zeus could’ve still had his role, but what they did doesn’t make sense when you look at it more closely.
Final point, no it doesn’t make me wonder why because unlike you I don’t think it’s vague. The audience are shown how Emma and Hook are true love. The consistent parallels to Snowing(from there meaning, to the adventure, being able to sense one another), the echoing of the iconic quote, the passing of the true love test, which afterwards they literally stated “it’s true love. Emma you chose me, that was the test”. None of that is subtle or vague. It’s only subtle or vague to the people that refuse to see CS for what it is. A canon true love couple.
So you’re saying Emma wouldn’t have pushed anyone else out of the way of that thing that was harming Hook? So Emma would leave someone like Belle to suffer because they’re not true loves and therefore she wouldn’t push her out of the way?
The point still stands, the audience are being told that Emma and Hook are true loves rather than being shown it. It is lazy writing on the part of the writers, that’s the main problem.
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Keeper of FelixFor someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
That is a stated reason in the show, and you can take it at face value. I think that all of the failed attempts at TLK are quite telling and still open to interpretation. Emma might just have been telling herself that was the reason, and the Rumple in her head was a manifestation of the darkness speaking. Was it the true reason that Emma’s curse wasn’t broken though? Emma did feel the lure of the darkness, but if anyone was ready to overcome darkness for good, it was Emma Swan, the savior, the product of true love, and wielder of light magic. Dark magic isn’t her true love the the way it is for Rumple, nor was she addicted to it, and I think if Emma had kissed Henry while she was still cursed, then her dark one curse would have been broken. (The fact that Emma didn’t even try kissing Henry on the forehead was just due to plot in my opinion). Emma was ready and willing to get rid of the darkness once and for all and was on the threshold of doing so before Hook started bleeding and she saved him with dark magic. Emma was ready to be rid of the dark one curse forever in Camelot. There were also other failed attempts at TLK back in SB, and Hook expressed surprise that it “didn’t bloody work” when he tried to break her curse with his kiss. By the time Emma was back in SB and fooling everyone, she wanted to help Hook overcome the darkness with the strength of their love, but Hook rejected her as the dark one. Emma implored him and tried to get him to see that they were able to overcome it together, but instead he turned on her and tried to have her family mass murdered. Also, there was that time in season three when Hook’s lips were cursed due to his “selfish plea” on Emma Swan’s name, and instead of it being broken, it drained Emma of her true love magic, the thing that makes here special.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
Why didn’t Emma try sharing her heart with Hook right away before his body was carried off? I think the writers want to keep this one open to debate, the way we’re doing now. Why not just show Emma sharing her heart with Hook to quiet anyone who doubts if their love is kind of love that Emma’s parents share? The writers could have shown us once and for all but for some reason decided not to. Probably it’s to keep people doubting and guessing until the end.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing.
I’m not shipper of Emma and Regina romantically, so I don’t really see what the relevance of that point is. You seem convinced that most of us here blindly hate on Hook while turning a blind eye to the misdeeds of Regina and Rumple. No, I hold Regina, Rumple and Hook all equally accountable for their sins, and I don’t ship Emma and Regina romantically. While I do think Emma and Regina love each other, I think it’s as friends and family members. Emma clearly sacrificed herself to spare Regina from becoming the dark one, and true love is sacrifice. Also, if we’re going strictly by canon, Neal and Emma shared true love, as evidence by the swan pendant crossing realms twice because it was born out of true love. But CS fans don’t like to admit it and claim it’s just Belle’s opinion. Again, it’s a matter of interpretation, but probably you won’t see it that way.
But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
I’m very aware that the cast have called CS true love but that just may be the party line. The scene was written in a very ambiguous way open to interpretation. Hades and Zelena and Ruby and Dorothy shared true love’s kiss in the same half season, demonstrating they those couple for sure had true love, but I’ve yet to see irrefutable proof that Hook and Emma have true love. For all the kissing that Emma and Hook do on screen, I still haven’t seen them share TLK — not once. Emma and Hook’s didn’t even start to break the cruse the way it did for Rumple and Belle in Skin Deep before Rumple pulled away. Until such time that I see Emma and Hook share TLK on screen, I’m not going to call it true love. You can have your own take on it, and I can have mine. The script is open to interpretation still as far as I’m concerned.
Totally agree.
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Keeper of Felix“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle.
It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
CS didn’t come naturally? I would say that’s just completely ignoring canon. CS was born in Tallahassee when they purposely paralleled SF flashbacks w/ CS in the present. It’s grown very much since then. It was not forced on anybody. Do you know whom are the people that claim this? The same ones that are still bitter Neal died.
IDK why King George can’t be the murderer based on what you said. You are aware Charming’s father was murdered in the EF and not in SB correct? Cause based on what you said…you somehow think Charming’s father died while in SB and that’s not possible.
Hook very well could die or split from Emma. Unless you know what the writers have planned. Afterall, other characters who had relevance in the story and were built up died with absolutely no payoff at all.
Let me guess, you somehow think Neal is going to be miraculously resurrected in the finale don’t you?
Hook is not a Neal, Robin, or anyone else that has died. He’s actually relevant. If I was to place money on somebody that was gonna die this season it would be Zelena. Because she is the definition of irrelevant right now.
In fact, I’d go so far as to propose that Emma and Hook were definitively revealed not to have true love in season five whenever their kiss failed to break Emma’s dark one curse (on multiple occasions) or when Emma failed to share her heart with Hook in season 5b. I know CS fans will point at the “true love shove” as “evidence” that Emma and Hook share real love, but in my estimation, all it revealed was that Emma’s heart has true love because she <em style=”box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, serif; background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.74902);”>is the product of true love. It was just ambiguously written enough that people will interpret it according to their prior assumptions. While I don’t think A&E are especially gifted writers, I think they’re just talented enough to keep people guessing and debatin
Well the show completely contradicted your POV on multiple occassions.
For someone whom pays attention to “canon” you sure are ignoring some pretty big things.
1. They gave specific reasons within the episode as to why those kisses did not work. The first one was that Emma did not think anything was wrong with her. The second failed one was specifically stated by Rumple. Emma liked the darkness, and the power charge she got from it. That’s why that kiss did not work.
2. Emma failed to share her heart with Hook because as the show stated Hook was a rotting corpse in SB. The only reason the Snowing one was successful was because Charming was dead for a very small amount of time. This was stated in dialogue.
3. “True love shove”, funny because the people that say that are the ones that like to mock CS and say that Emma and Regina are a romantic pairing. But enough about that, it’s not only CS fans though. The entire cast including Adam and Eddy spent the entire time at Comic Con reinforcing that Emma and Hook are true love. So not that ambiguous seeing as they point blank said it loud and clear at CC, and Jennifer and Colin said it in basically every interview.
The way you’ve quoted things makes it look like I said all those things when in fact you’ve got quotes from TheWatcher and Slurpeez in there as well. Make sure you quote the right people, yeah?
First off, my mind completely blanked on you referring to King George as the murderer of Charming’s father. For some reason I thought you meant King George murdering one of the regulars because we were talking about there being a death before the show ends. That’s an error on my part. George could be Charming’s father’s murderer, however he wasn’t even aware that Charming or his family existed until James died. Rumple got him James but wouldn’t have said where he came from so I think its unlikely, plus we’ve not seen George since season 2.
Secondly, you need to cut the attitude. It’s one thing to defend your ship, it’s quite another to speak down to people just because they disagree with your ship.
Thirdly, CS did have chemistry in Tallahassee, then they had Hook betray Emma to Cora and leave her to die. When Hook got to Storybrooke, they had him torture Archie and shoot Belle. Both were innocents who hadn’t done any harm to Hook. Hook followed Emma to new York and pushed her into a wall so he could stab Rumple. He betrayed Regina to GOAT without a care before changing his mind and going to Neverland with the Nevengers. In Neverland Hook spent the majority of his time more interested in getting in Emma’s pants than he was in helping Henry (This was a major disservice to Hook’s character as Neverland should’ve been Hook’s chance to shine but instead he was reduced to a love triangle). 3B, He spends his time chasing after Emma despite her showing no interest, she eventually gives in during the 3B finale. In 4A, despite being with Emma, Hook acted shady with trying to blackmail Rumple then didn’t like it when it backfired on him. 4B, Hook was relegated to boyfriend patrol. 5A Hook turned on Emma as the dark one and wanted to send her and her family to hell. You can’t say “it was the darkness not him” otherwise you have to extend that excuse to Rumple’s actions as well since he was the dark one from 3B-4B. Rumple was still capable of love as the dark one. 5B, Hook was boyfriend patrol again and got resurrected because he’s Hook. 6A has actually been an improvement because Hook is showing some genuine effort in trying to make amends particularly with Belle. Essentially there is no reason why Emma would’ve given Hook the time of day as a romance before 6A but they were thrown together because a certain vocal part of the OUAT fandom demanded it. It wasn’t built up to. OQ suffers from similar lazy writing. If the writers wanted CS together from the start, then maybe they should’ve thrown out some more Tallahassee like episodes where you actually see the chemistry between the two and have Hook be more like he is in 6A. 6A Hook needed to happen several seasons ago, at the very least in 3B.
Fourthly, the fact that you claim Neal dying is the only reason people don’t like CS because they’re “bitter” implies that the thought of SF still bothers you. SF was probably the biggest hurdle to CS and, despite two and a half seasons passing since then, you don’t seem to accept that people can dislike CS for other reasons beside Neal. Ironically killing off Neal was the worst thing to happen to CS because Emma never chose Hook over Neal. Neal was taken out of the equation, leaving Hook as the only option left. It does beg the question as to WHY Neal was killed off instead of having Emma and Neal move on from each other.
Fifthly, nobody expects Neal to be magically resurrected because the writers have ballsed up the show enough without further complicating matters. People don’t like CS but they’ve accepted it at this point, why the hell would the writers throw the love triangle back into the mix?
Sixthly, Hook’s not going to die. He’s not important enough for a big show ending death plus they threw aside the “dead is dead” rule for him so I seriously doubt they’d kill him off for good.
Seventhly, TLK should’ve at least started to work. It began to work on Rumple in Skin Deep and he definitely “liked the darkness”. Saying it didn’t work at all because Emma “liked the darkness” is rubbish.
Eighthly, The heart share failure because Hook was a rotting corpse doesn’t make sense when it comes to Hook’s resurrection. Assuming it was just Hook’s soul in the Underworld (which then begs the question how the regulars’ physical bodies could be in the Underworld), when Hook was brought back was his soul just made corporeal or was it just put back in his physical body? Hook didn’t look like he’d just crawled out of his own grave. Is there still a rotting Hook corpse buried in Storybrooke graveyard?
Finally, the fact that A&E plus JMo and Colin constantly have to “reinforce” that Hook and Emma are “true love” says quite a lot about the writing. The audience shouldn’t have to be TOLD they’re true love, they should be SHOWN it. Every chance the writers had to show that CS is true love, they didn’t take it. Doesn’t it make you wonder why?
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Keeper of FelixIn addition to the problems already mentioned, the biggest problem for me is that the characters are no longer relatable or engaging. I simply do not care about them anymore. If any of the mains died, I wouldn’t be able to muster any emotion. The problem is twofold. First, they don’t behave like real people would, which makes it hard to relate to anyone. Poor writing, PLOT etc – we’ve discussed all of this at length at some time or another. The second problem is the lack of diversity in the group. I’m not just talking in terms of race, sexuality, age etc. They even think alike – witness all of them heading off to the Underworld with Emma, leaving babies and young children behind because “that’s what heroes do”.
I haven’t watched any episodes since ‘Heartless’ and I’m struggling to stick with OUAT. I doubt I’ll still be watching by the end of S6.
At this point I’m seeing OUAT through to the end but I’m hoping that end comes really soon so the characters can be put to rest with whatever shred of dignity they have left. Only Hook at this point has escaped any form of character assassination, some (Rumple, Belle) have suffered worse than others but none of the mains are really recognisable as the characters we met in season 1.
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Keeper of FelixIf anyone is sacrificing themselves it would be Rumple. I don’t see Hook having to make the ultimate sacrifice. He already made it last season. Rumple has been a piece of crap ever since his sacrifice in 3A. Rumple should be the one to make the sacrifice, nobody else.
Your contradicting yourself. You’re saying Hook shouldn’t make the sacrifice because he did it last season, yet you’re say Rumple should make the sacrifice even though he already did it in 3A. Also, Hook’s sacrifice was to rectify the situation he created, Rumple’s sacrifice was to protect everyone from Pan. If you want to go on whose sacrifice was more noble, Rumple wins. Now that’s not to say Rumple wouldn’t be killed off, but you can’t discount one character from dying because they “already did it” yet include another character despite that same reason.
I don’t see Hook and Emma not getting a happy ending on this show. At all. They’ve clearly been built as “endgame” and they’re gonna get a happy ending. Otherwise what was the point of the entire S5 season?
“Built” is such a subjective word. CS are probably going to be endgame, it’s too late to change that at this point especially if season 6 or 7 is the last, but CS didn’t come about naturally. It was forced by the writers because certain vocal fans demanded it. A flashing neon sign would’ve been more subtle.
Personally in my opinion either Regina or Rumple will die before the show wraps. I’m leaning more towards Regina cause she’ll leave nothing behind whereas Rumple would be leaving a baby boy. The only way Regina will not die is if Zelena dies in her place and she will take full costody of Robyn.
If the show is looking for a death before it ends, it needs to be a big one. Zelena won’t cut it. We are easily looking at one of the big 3 (Emma, Regina or Rumple). Snowing are possible but less likely. Henry could die which would unite everyone but that could be considered a bit grim for a show supposedly about “hope”.
As for the murderer I say King George.
It won’t be King George. George is dead. He starved to death off-screen in the mines where Charming dumped him before jetting off to Neverland for a week without telling anyone about George being in the mines. What’s worse is both of George’s hands were tied so he wouldn’t have been able to do anything for himself.
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Keeper of FelixHere is a better idea instead of going back and forth.
With all of Hook’s development thus far, what do you all think should come next for his character (assuming Once goes on for a few more seasons).
What do you want to see?
What do you NOT want to see?
I’d like Emma and Hook to break up (at least temporarily) so that both characters can get a story that doesn’t exist around CS. We could actually get Hook interacting with the townsfolk alongside Emma who actually does some sheriffing. The show needs to get that small town feel back. Storybrooke itself is just as much a character as the actual characters themselves.CS would probably get back together but it just gives both characters time to exist outside the other.
I don’t want to see another “Emma has walls, Hook breaks them down” storyline. That’s been going round on a loop for several seasons.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
