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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixActually:
addiction: devotion to, dedication to, obsession with, infatuation with, passion for, love of, mania for, enslavement to
When you’re addicted to something, generally, it means you love it. It consumes your life, like an obsession.
Not necessarily. Whilst an addiction does consume your life, it isn’t because you love it, it’s because you’re dependant on it. A heroin addict doesn’t stab themselves in the arm, or else where on the body, with a needle because they love it, they do it because they need their fix.
A lot of people say they’re addicted to certain things when in reality they just love it lots. For example, addicted to chocolate, addicted to shopping, addicted to OUAT- chocaholics, shopaholics, onceaholics. That’s not a real addiction. A real addiction is when there is an actual dependency on a substance- an alcoholic can’t go a day without a drink, they NEED a drink, a drug addict can’t go a day without their substance, they NEED a fix.
Rumple is a magic addict. He believes he NEEDS his magic to protect his loved ones and to protect himself. He fears that without it, he’ll be weak and powerless, and since he’s already had that experience it only instills that fear even more thus continuing the cycle.
Look what happened when Rumple didn’t have magic:
His wife was kidnapped by a pirate and was going to be raped by a ship load of pirates because he was powerless to save her. (Whilst this wasn’t the actual case, this is what Rumple was led to believe)
He was bullied and belittled by those who were “stronger” than he was.
His son was going to be taken to fight and die in the ogre wars.
Look what happened when Rumple had magic:
He saved his son and stopped the ogre war.
Nobody messed with him.
He taught many beautiful women who were interested in him, some in a romantic sense.
He could protect his loved ones with magic.
Magic has destroyed Rumple’s life, much like a real addiction does to someone, but he can’t just switch off the addiction at the drop of a hat, it’s the fear of what will happen without the magic that keeps Rumple addicted to it.
Let me put it this way, if Belle was enough for Rumple, he wouldn’t:
Try to separate himself from the dagger; let go of his addiction for magic and just settle down with her.
Wouldn’t have tried to find a way in the season finale to have both his magic and Belle at the same time.Belle even asked him, “Why wasn’t it good enough?” Why wasn’t her love enough for him? Because he loves magic more than her.
If Rumple loved only Belle, she wouldn’t need to question him about that. But the reality is, she’s not the only love of his love.
The addiction takes over because that is what an addiction does. Rumple loves Belle but he has a deepseated fear, after a life of abandonment and rejection, that nobody could ever love him really. He hides behind his magic as a coping mechanism. If Rumple really cared about his magic more than Belle, he’d be like “to hell with you” and wouldn’t even bother trying to reach out to her. He wants Belle, he loves her, but he feels he needs to magic to protect her. He wants them both!
The fact that he is now potentially magicless and forced to go cold turkey is a major step in Rumple’s recovery. He’ll be tempted, but hopefully he can overcome it.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixActually, the line is:
And for almost everyone, that weakness is the thing they love most. This will simply point me in the right direction.
It’s never specifically said to be a person. Just the thing someone loves the most. Thus, why the gauntlet pointed to Rumple’s dagger in the winter finale.
Key word there is ALMOST. The dagger is Rumple’s weakness because it takes away his free will, it controls him. Fear is what binds Rumple to his power not love.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSince there was no true love’s kiss to break Rumple’s curse, does that mean Belle and Rumple are still true love?
Here is my take on it. Belle said she didn’t love Will, the implication being she still loves Rumple. For some reason, however, the writers chose not to have her kiss Rumple in that moment. But just because she didn’t kiss Rumple doesn’t mean he isn’t still her true love, despite having hurt her. Rumple is Belle’s weakness, and I believe the gauntlet would’ve pointed to Rumple if she were using it to find the thing she loves most.
Now the question in my mind is whether Belle is Rumple’s true love. I think she is the woman he loves without doubt. But does he love her more than the power of the dagger? Belle said in 4×11 that the power was his true love, because the gauntlet led Belle to the real dagger, which is was his weakness. She said he’d never chosen her over the power, and that he never would.
I believe that Belle is Rumple’s true love. The gauntlet led Belle to the dagger because it is literally his weakness, it is what controls him. Rumple said in flashback that a person’s weakness was USUALLY the people they love. Usually does not mean always. Also Rumple has often seen Belle as a source of strength, when he was saying his goodbyes before sacrificing himself to kill Pan, he said to Belle “You made me stronger”. For Rumple, his loved ones are not a source of weakness but a source of strength, therefore the gauntlet would never have pointed towards his loved ones as his weakness.
Now I think the reason we didn’t get TLK is because at that point, Rumple was so addicted to the magic that it was his weakness. Rumple was so addicted he literally was unable to let go of it, except by force. That is why we had the Apprentice forcibly remove Rumple’s dark power and expel it from him. He was cursed and surrounded by darkness. The man was all but dead, the path of red in his heart having nearly entirely disappeared. His humanity was being stolen, and nothing of Rumple the man would exist if it were replaced by the dark one. He had to have the source of the magic addiction literally removed from him to have any chance of regaining his humanity and finding redmption.
I think the reason we didn’t get a TLK between RumBelle was that the writers needed the dark one curse to still exist so that we’d get DarkSwan. If RumBelle did have a TLK, the dark one curse would’ve disappeared.
S5 will be about Rumple either trying to win back Belle or him trying to get back the power he lost. The choice he makes: Belle or magic, will be telling whether he puts Belle first, and whether she really is his true love or not.
I think Rumple will be in a coma for a couple of episodes whilst the DarkSwan plot builds since he’s the one who would be most able to help, then when things look extremely dire, he’ll wake up in time to be able to help save the day and would probably be the one to suggest a TLK since it nearly broke the curse before. Rumple having to cope without his powers would be a rich and interesting story in the vein of earlier seasons storytelling. I expect he’ll be tempted to get his power back, it would be unrealistic if he wasn’t, but he’ll overcome it. Besides, Rumple has a vast amount of knowledge and experience that he has gained over the centuries and “knowledge is power”.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixHook can get run over by a truck, brush himself and walkaway….Rumple however gets run over by a truck, and he’s deader than a duck. Examples of this show in the blackmail….Everyone knows Rumple tried to blackmail Hook, but no one knows Hook tried to blackmail Rumple first, and more than likely never will!
Exactly. When Hook blackmailed Rumple the first time to get Rumple to help, it wasn’t so bad. It wasn’t good but it worked. However, when Hook went back the second time and tried to blackmail Rumple again, this time for self-gain, I lost a lot of sympathy for Hook and didn’t feel sorry for him at all when Rumple started using him as an errand boy. If Hook wants to play with fire, he’s going to get his fingers burnt. Not to mention the fact that Hook was threatening to break Belle’s heart if Rumple didn’t give him what he wanted.
I still maintain that, until the moment when Rumple was actually puppetting Hook through the heart (and even then Hook was able to overcome it briefly to grab Emma’s hand), Hook still had a degree of free will. Essentially there was no reason why Hook couldn’t make Rumple’s life difficult up to that point. Rumple couldn’t crush Hook’s heart until the stars aligned and he made no secret that he was going to crush Hook’s heart regardless of what Hook did, so Hook had no incentive to stay in line. We’ve seen with Graham when he saved Charming that there is still free will even when the heart is in someone else’s possession so Hook could’ve done more to save himself. However the writers wanted the audience to think “poor Hook” when the truth is closer to “Hook kind of brought it on himself”.
It’s different situation but the emotion behind is the same: if you’re dying or are going to destroy the world, then I’m going with you. With Emma and Hook it’s horrible and cliche and only serves to make Hook look good and Emma look weak. With Xander and Dark!Willow it was one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen.
Totally, but that sort of emotion would only work because of the characters’ incredibly rich history together. Without that depth (and I think CS doesn’t have that depth at all), you get something that just comes across as petulant and overblown.
I agree 100%. I think what made that Xander/DarkWillow scene so great was that it wasn’t romantic love that saved the day but platonic love. That deep friendship between the two had been there since the start of Buffy and this scene was at the end of season 6 so there were six seasons worth of development between the two characters.
Hook was only introduced in season 2 and CS didn’t really become official until season 4/ very end minutes of 3B. CS have had only one season of “development” though Hook acting like Emma’s lapdog is hardly what I’d call a strong basis for a love story. The only two couples on the show that have a strong enough connection to mirror the yellow crayon scene would be either Snowing or RumBelle but they won’t do that. SwanFire would’ve been the other couple with a deep enough connection but again not going to happen.
Speaking of that, it could be that breaking the Dark One curse will be a big CS moment but I would not rule out it being a big Saviour Queen (SQ galore Subtext ) moment either. Regina is the reason Emma took action the way she did, when she did, and the writers love to write Regina saving the day.
You make a good point here and that would fit with the yellow crayon platonic love.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI cant speak on Hook’s behalf, but Regina…yeah…even the Author/The Show has acknowledged that out of every other character…she has gotten screwed over the most, so she has suffered quite dearly for her past sins. Even before she was the Evil Queen, luck was never on Regina’s side.
And given what we’ve seen….just as you wish to say we don’t know what was Rumple’s will or the darkness will, we really don’t know what was Regina’s will or the Author’s manipulation. The freedom of will while concerning the past is up in the air because who knows how much the Author undid and rewrote.
Okay I’ll give you that one in terms of Regina. BOTH Rumple and Regina have had horrible lives so far even without their interactions with each other. But the point still remains, Regina has done horrible things in the past and been forgiven so why shouldn’t Rumple be given the same chance by the other characters? Even in season 2 when Regina backslid, she was forgiven, so why shouldn’t Rumple be forgiven for his backslide in season 4? It’s double standards otherwise.
It also hints at a self-centredness amongst the heroes, they don’t get involved unless someone they care about is in harm’s way. Regina slaughters villages and she’s welcomed into the family with open arms, Rumple tries to kill Hook, and everyone else is giving him the stink eye.
As for the whole Belle situation….no matter what, we were shown Belle extending her hand to help, she probably should have put some stipulations in it. And besides….Rumple wasn’t that concerned with Robin Hood or Roland’s well being when he held their lives over Regina head, so she was forced into finding a way to stop Rumple before he could snitch that she was coming to the rescue, and the only thing she could have over him was Belle.
I disagree. I don’t think Belle needed to stipulate for Regina NOT to take her heart, it should go without saying. Belle also did not give her consent for that. I don’t think Rumple would’ve told Zelena Regina was on her way, he did not give a crap about Zelena and as soon as he left the hospital, he all but said outright to Robin that he should go to Regina. Had Robin actually been smart enough to follow Rumple’s advice, Zelena would’ve been left with no leverage whatsoever. So Robin’s partially at fault in that one for his knack of doing completely the opposite of what he’s told to do. Besides, at the end of the day, Rumple didn’t need Emma to go dark to get what he wanted, and Regina actually performed the finishing touches to his scheme so the AU actually happening was kind of Regina’s fault. All the Belle’s heart situation proved is that Regina is not above throwing other people under the bus to get what SHE wants. Also what I find doubly annoying about the situation is that Regina prevented Rumple from killing Zelena after she’d enslaved him and caused the death of his son because REGINA wanted to give her a second chance, but the moment Zelena threatens Robin, REGINA’S loved one, then Regina is a lot less forgiving and more ruthless. It’s hypocritical that Regina’s okay with Zelena doing whatever so long as she’s not threatening/harming HER loved ones.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI’ve noticed something lately. Most of the people I follow on tumblr are Rumbellers, but I notice more and more are posting vocally anti-CS and anti-Hook things. In the past they just kept quiet and stayed in the “Rumbelle bubble” but it’s creeping out more and more. People I’ve never seen talk about Hook are now reblogging Hook hate. It’s very interesting.
I’m not surprised at this to be honest. I think the problem is they show Hook being deliberately antagonistic towards Rumple for no other reason than he can, and then show him being all sweetness and light towards Emma. It’s like a whiplash effect. What they’re telling us about Hook (that he’s redeemed, he’s a hero, etc) does not match up with what they’re showing us onscreen (that he has bully boy tendencies and has a very unsavoury side of him). This darker side of Hook is not explored or acknowledged by the writers or the other characters and it makes Hook look a little Jekyll and Hyde.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWell, the DO now seems a lot like the Shadow/Pan relationship, though the DO seems less sentient.
The darkness seems to have some sort of sentience though. Question is how much of Rumple’s actions were his own and how much were they influenced by the darkness? It’s implied that the darkness would have taken control of Rumple and puppetted him hence the “no one’s home” line, so the darkness’ influence on Rumple was seemingly growing stronger. Also as Blue Fairy said in season 1 in the Return, Baelfire was a glimmer of light to Rumple which kept him human, Belle serves this purpose too. With Baelfire’s death, it could be argued that the darkness’ hold on Rumple strengthened because there was now one less person to keep him human.
I also had a crack theory on why certain people are chosen to be the dark one based on what the apprentice said about strength of the heart. Why the darkness went for Regina, the apprentice, and then Emma and not Snowing, Robin, or Hook. It’s not to do with magic, since Rumple had no magic when he became the dark one, it’s to do with the strength of the heart, the strength to carry on despite what obstacles life throws at you.
Rumple, Emma and Regina have had difficult lives, probably the most difficult of the main characters. They’ve lost people but they’ve carried on surviving regardless, they’ve pulled through. Compare this to Hook and Snowing who have a death wish when it comes to losing loved ones. Hook went on a suicidal mission to avenge Milah whilst Snow was ready to die if the heart splitting failed to save Charming because she couldn’t bear to live without him. Hook and Snow were ready to give up on life whilst Rumple, Emma and Regina had the will to survive.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixRumple being handed his white heart without having earned it. I’ll probably write a lengthier rant about this later, but most other villains on this show had to earn their redemption. It’s a much longer process but it isn’t just given to them and Rumple just given his goodness back without having truly earned it, makes me sick. Because that’s not how it is.
I disagree. I think Regina and Hook have had it quite easy in their redemption arcs and they’ve not suffered or been held accountable for their past misdeeds especially Regina, she was willing to use Belle yet again as a pawn against Rumple with no regard for Belle’s well-being. I think it would be unfair for the other characters to hold a grudge against Rumple when they were all too happy to give Regina a second chance after everything she has done. Also, now that it appears that the darkness is somewhat sentient, it could be argued over how much Rumple’s actions were his own and how much was the darkness’ influence? Also Rumple’s actions, whilst certainly morally grey, were also trying to prevent an even worse scenario from occurring: the dark one unleashed without Rumple’s humanity holding it back.
All the Rumbelle stuff, in general. AU and in Storybrooke. How come Belle seriously still love Rumple and give him a second chance after all the stuff he’s done this season? We had a brief moment where she started to rip into them and I truly enjoyed that moment but it was interrupted by Rumple dying. Rumple does not deserve a happy ending, he doesn’t deserve Belle.
The same case could be argued for OutlawQueen or CaptainSwan. Why should Regina and Hook get their loved ones but Rumple shouldn’t? Robin is completely unbothered by Regina’s evil queen past, ridiculously unbothered as if it hasn’t even registered with him, there’s a difference between acknowledging that Regina is not the person she used to be and completely ignoring it. Hook has done some dastardly things but doesn’t get called out on it. Why is Rumple undeserving yet Regina and Hook get to skip happily off in to the sunset for their happy endings?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
