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That is a good theory but I don’t think it is possible because of the glamour spell. For the longest time I thought that when Cora, Regina etc changed to look like someone else it was shapeshifting but when I tweeted Jane Espenson she took some time to explain glamour spells to me. She indicated that there had not been any shapeshifting on Once and that it had all been glamour spells. She explained that when it is a glamour spell the person does not really change form it just looks that way to other people. By the time we finished tweeting my head was spinning but I got a clearer picture. In Zelena’s case, her form does not change so she would have her own eggs. The glamour spell works on the people who see you…not changing your form. I appreciated Jane taking the time to explain because I am pretty sure I never would have figured that out.
I did not know that. I thought Cora did shapeshift though because when Regina was learning magic in The Evil Queen, she wanted to learn that spell but Rumple said that it took Cora months to master and that Regina would only be able to give herself highlights if she was lucky.
I think Zelena is actually pregnant with her own baby rather than having someone else’s.
I wonder if Ingrid actually saw through the glamour spell hence why she decided to freeze Marian. It served her purposes and also taught Zelena a little lesson.
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Keeper of FelixZelena being a bad mother is the only way that OQ can have the baby without being somewhat cruel. Problem is however, the only way to do this would be to show Zelena actively being nasty towards the child which means that child has to suffer all so OQ don’t look bad. If OQ take the child straight off then Zelena never had the chance to be a good mother before the child was whisked away. If Zelena is struggling but loves her child and OQ take it anyway, then that is still pretty damning on OQ when they could’ve just given her some extra support.
Thing is though, I don’t think Zelena would want to willingly give up her child because of her past history of being abandoned, she’d likely overcompensate by smothering the child with attention.
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Keeper of FelixOk, this is a bit of a rant that I want to get off my chest. I feel the biggest issue with the way the show handles its core relationships is that there is so much “angst, angst, angst”, with not enough room to breathe. I know Jane Espenson in particular has made her opinion known that she doesn’t like the relationships to be calm and peaceful, because then where is the conflict to move the story forward? There are ways to have conflict on this show without constantly being on and off with the relationship angst.
I completely agree. I also think that you do need the relationships to have some breathing space so that when crap does hit the fan, the audience can appreciate how bad the situation is. As it is, the relationships are just lurching from one crisis to another.
Rumbelle is no doubt be the biggest victim of angst, with Rumple and Belle always being separated in short bursts of time. Rumple kicks Belle out, Rumple thinks Belle is dead, Rumple find Belle again, Belle threatens to leave him twice in a row, Belle loses her memories, Belle becomes Lacey and shortly diverts from Rumple again, Lacey ends up sticking around with Rumple because she likes his darkness, Belle gets her memories back, Belle is left behind when everyone else goes to Neverland, Rumple dies, Rumple comes back and is enslaved by Zelena, Rumple lies to Belle about the dagger and kills Zelena, Rumple’s lies build up to the point where Belle finally finds out about what he’s done and kicks him out of Storybrooke, Belle ends up dating Will, and now Rumple admits that his heart is blackening to the point that he’ll soon no longer be able to love.
RumBellers just want RumBelle happy together without being torn apart for whatever reason every five minutes. Seriously, season 2, Belle ended episode 1 saying she was going to stay with Rumple then disappears for two episodes before reappearing in episode 4 ready to leave him because of his lack of honesty. There was no transition between point A and point B.
I still ship RumBelle because I still have hope for the ship that set sail in Skin Deep.
OutlawQueen actually started out pretty angst free, once Regina decided to pursue Robin. They were so free of angst for most of 3B to the point that some fans felt the relationship was rushed and that they weren’t going through any obstacles.
I was one of those fans. It just felt that there should’ve been more acknowledgement on Robin’s part on who Regina was rather than him jumping straight into “you’re hot” territory. They could’ve achieved that in the same episode without changing any of the major scenes. Have Robin be mistrustful of Regina initially, have Regina save Roland from the flying monkey, have Robin see she’s not so bad after all and accompany her to the castle because he feels he owes her for saving Roland. Have OQ actually build some sort of connection during the missing year then in Storybrooke be drawn to each other.
Guess they would regret wanting to see OutlawQueen going through obstacles once said obstacles started to occur.
At the rate they’re going, the Mills women should come with a warning label for men.
Regina’s past would’ve been a perfect conflict within the OQ relationship. They didn’t have to make it a major one but it would’ve been nice for Robin to acknowledge that and also acknowledge that Regina wasn’t that person anymore instead of him just being A-Okay with it and turning a blind eye.
In fact, I know plenty who were initially planning to support the relationship, but things soured too much for them once it turned out that Regina killed Marian in the original timeline, and that Marian had returned.
Marian returning would’ve been enough in itself to cause debate on whether Robin should continue with Regina or return to Marian, but to then make Regina be the reason that Marian died was too much and made OQ morally unsound. This was then compounded by Robin being completely unbothered that his beloved wife had been murdered by his current love interest and the thing is, Robin did know this piece of information, if “Marian” hadn’t told him then Regina must’ve because of the way she told him last episode that Zelena had killed Marian. She emphasised the Zelena as if correcting information she’d already told which leads to two questions:
1. Why did we not see this scene?
2. Why did Robin not seem bothered in the slightest?I actually thought making Marian Zelena would be their way out of this mess, but they actually had to make things ever worse with the whole Zelena pregnancy thing.
I completely agree. Making Marian Zelena wasn’t the neatest way of doing things but it was passable in it’s purpose of clearing the way for OQ, but then they add on the whole pregnancy drama which was achieved through Zelena raping Robin.
I feel the main reason for the pregnancy is just so Regina will still want to change the book. After all, had OutlawQueen actually reunited without any further obstacles, then Regina would already have her happy ending.
Whilst I get wanting to keep Regina motivated, at the same time I think that if they have Regina actually change the book to get rid of the baby, that makes Regina look terrible. She’s willing to get rid of an innocent unborn child just so SHE can get HER happy ending. It makes her selfish.
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Keeper of FelixNo he wouldn’t which is why I think they wouldn’t have Zelena do that.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThere is no way that this baby situation can resolve well if they are going for the idea that Zelena is actually pregnant with Robin’s baby.
Either they redeem Zelena or they don’t but neither choice has good outcomes.
They redeem Zelena:
1. OQ and Zelena play “happy families” raising the child- this completely ignores the fact that Zelena raped Robin.
2. Zelena dies a “hero” allowing OQ to raise the baby- See above with the added insult that they killed off a mother so that OQ could have their little family unit in a neat little bow.They don’t redeem Zelena:
1. Zelena dies and OQ raise the baby as their own- See above
2. Zelena has a miscarriage or the baby is magically disappeared- All a plot device so OQ get their happy ending whilst being insensitive to certain issues.
3. OQ take the baby from Zelena by force and raise it as their own- This just leaves a bad taste.All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixRumBelle is not abusive
Physically? No. Emotionally, absolutely. He toys with people the same way he toys with words. He put her through the wringer. He lied to her. He manipulated her. He used her. He is going to destroy people she cares about. He HURT HER. He made her doubt herself. He made her not trust her instincts. Not all abuse is physical. And now he thinks that he can simply rewrite his happy ending using the Author to have it all–giving her NO CHOICE in the matter.
I agree, wholeheartedly.
Ship what you’re going to ship. That has always been our motto ’round these parts. But it doesn’t mean that you should turn a blind eye to how it’s being presented. Because the fact is, it’s being presented horrifyingly.
I agree.
I disagree, and that’s all I’ll say on the matter. You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine.
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Keeper of Felix…pretty sure you still need to have sex to conceive a baby (or something akin to sex like IVF)
Zelena was lonely and cray cray. I could imagine her using that dagger to summon Stiltskin in the middle of the night and…..yeah. I mean, honestly, would you put it past her? She was obviously attracted to Rump and maybe even in love with him, and was clearly open to the idea of them being….ahem, intimate on that kitchen table. And now she had ultimate power over him to FORCE him to do whatever she wanted. Rumpel was to Zelena what Graham was to Regina.
And there’s the number one reason why your scenario can’t be true. A and E tip toe (like a proverbial herd of elephants) around rape, only dipping their toe into that pond and then fleeing claiming “you don’t know what was going on!” But actual rape? Rumple actually being compelled by the dagger to service Zelena and more, very real, literal version of rape? Nope. A and E aren’t going to go down that path.
I agree. In one of the deleted scenes when she forced him to eat the meal she cooked, I thought that she was capable of anything. However, I think that whilst the threat was there, A&E didn’t carry through with it.
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Keeper of FelixTimeline wise, that Regina sneak peek takes place at least a decade after Daniel’s death if not longer.
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Keeper of FelixRumBelle is not abusive. None of the main relationships on the show are abusive. Some are a bit more morally grey than others but they’re not abusive. When I said “something about the show being heightened fiction enables the audience to have a kind permission to ship in a way they wouldn’t do in their every day life” I meant that in real life, you wouldn’t want to meet a Rumple, Regina, Hook etc but on this show you root for them because you are shown what they’re about, what makes them tick, etc. On other shows, you might root for a villain because you don’t like a character. Example: In Gotham, people don’t like Barbara to the point where they were rooting for the Ogre to kill her.
TV is escapism. No you shouldn’t “turn off your brains” and just accept what you are show as the way things should be, believe it or not most people can distinguish between a work of fiction and actual reality. People will ship the ships they want to ship and disregard the ones they don’t for whatever reasons they may be. People will kick up a fuss if they feel something has crossed a line. People don’t just dumbly accept the media they are fed.
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Keeper of FelixI think all the couples will be fine eventually. I do however think that the couple people should be most worried about in the immediate future is CaptainSwan. All the Once couples so far, excluding CS, have had to deal with the crap thrown at them by the writers (for OQ, that crap comes bearing the name Zelena), CS is the only couple that haven’t had to go through major trials in their relationship so far, so it makes sense that it’s their turn now.
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