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I think the other problem of what has been done to Emma — and, come to think of it, to most of the lead female characters — is that they have become profoundly defined by their romantic relationships, such that there is no generative conflict outside of the “will they get/stay together” problem.
I agree. Emma doesn’t even seem to talk to Henry, her son, anymore. Her scenes are all about CS. I think this is most prevalent with Regina and Belle, especially Regina, in fact Regina wins the award for it.
Belle has always been a moral counterpoint to Rumple hence why RumBelle had to be split to enable Rumple to do what he’s doing now. However, instead of taking the opportunity of the split to develop Belle outside of RumBelle, the writers have stuck her in a relationship with Will that makes absolutely no sense on either side. Belle is not over Rumple, and unless Ana is dead which I don’t think is the case otherwise that would’ve been said already, it makes no sense for Will to be with Belle.
Regina used to be such a strong sassy independent character but the moment they’ve introduced Robin, everything about her is now all about Robin. For me, OQ is what TV Tropes calls a “romantic plot tumour”. OQ need to get together just so they can stop the will they/ won’t they stuff which is eating up precious screentime when we know they are going to end up together. It’s no coincidence that the times I’ve liked Regina least have involved a situation pertaining to OQ.
There is nothing wrong with a character having a love interest, but not when that love interest is the main focus of that character’s screentime all the time as in Regina’s season 4 story arc is literally about Robin.
I just tried to have a hopeful thought that somehow the Author writes Neal alive, and he’d come and give Emma TLK to undo all the darkness….then I remembered that MRJ is on another show, and that there’s no way Adam and Eddy will turn Saint KILLian back into the villain he once was.
Even if MRJ was happy to return, I wouldn’t hold my breath for that scenario. At this stage of the game SwanFire is dead and past the point of no return. The best that we can hope for is that Neal comes back and the writers choose to continue his storylines with Rumple and Henry but that would involve a storyline being about FAMILY and that’s not going to happen.
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Are they really going to just think that we forgot that Killian having that fake hand showed us who he really is??? I mean…that’s kind of a big deal isn’t it!
Apparently so, which makes me wonder why they even bothered showing that side if they had no plans to do anything with it or were we supposed to think that it was all the hand’s fault?
Yes, they are really going to forget that. It would help if Will wasn’t the single most wasted character ever on this show. Their treatment of Will might be worse than Ruby’s and Belle’s and Neal’s combined.
Agreed. Either they’ve got big plans for Will in season 5 which is why they wanted to sign him before he went elsewhere or they really don’t know what to do with him now they’ve got him and he will suddenly disappear come season 5 and never be mentioned again.
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Keeper of FelixEmma is clearly Snowing’s child and the show has established that over the past 4 seasons. For the writers to suddenly change that now, especially if the 5th season is the last, would just be one major jump the shark moment.
As for Emma’s blonde hair compared to the rest of the family, Charming had reasonably light hair in flashbacks which suggests that there is a blonde gene within his family genetics. Such genes can skip generations so you might have a blonde grandparent, a dark haired child and a blonde grandchild. Blonde genes are also recessive so if Snow has the blonde gene in her family tree as well there is a 1 in 4 chance that Snowing would produce a blonde child. If both Snowing’s hair colour genes were made up as Bb (B=The dominant brunette hair colour, b=the recessive blonde hair colour, Emma would have ended up with the bb which is blonde whilst baby Neal would have either the BB or the Bb which would present as a darker hair colour). Henry has dark hair because Nealfire was dark haired and both Milah and Rumple were dark haired. Malcolm was also dark haired. That means the dominant brunette gene runs in Nealfire’s family which he passed on to Henry. Even if Henry does have the blonde gene from Emma, the dominant brunette gene from his father’s side would make Henry dark-haired.
Genetics aside, Emma’s hair colour could also be an aesthetics choice. Good is light and evil is dark therefore Emma having a light hair colour shows her goodness. As Emma’s darkness grows, she might start going darker haired like Dark Willow. Of course, this explanation doesn’t work for Snowing, Belle, Maleficent or the other evil blondes on the show or the other good brunettes/dark haired characters on the show.
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Keeper of FelixThere is a change in voice.
Perhaps, because in stories, events and characters are often exaggerated to make them more exciting (something which ties to how the author manipulated Snowing and the egg events to make the story more interesting), the ink caused certain qualities in Cruella to become more exaggerated?
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Keeper of FelixI thought the pilot stated that Regina cursed everyone which brought them to OUR world?
I think at this stage of the game, for the writers to turn around and say the land without magic is not our world is too much.
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Keeper of FelixI think the thing with Hook is that A&E used him as the “bad boy redeemed by love” cliché but with all the Neverland stuff now done, Hook literally has nothing to do other than being Emma’s love interest. His rivalry with Rumple was based off of revenge and avenging Milah’s death, but with Hook now moved on from Milah, that plot point is no longer relevant which is why it’s not meaningful when Hook starts antagonising Rumple again. It’s literally the writers needed something for Hook to do.
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Keeper of FelixIt’s possible that when the casting department were given the description of adult Lily, they were only told she was Maleficent’s long lost daughter so they looked for an actress that bared a resemblance to Mal’s actress which is how they found Agnes then realised after hiring that adult Lily was supposed to be the same Lily from Emma’s past hence why they then tried to make Agnes look more like young Lily.
The casting department has made mistakes before. For example, with Cinderella’s baby. They had to find an “Alex” not realising Alex was short for Alexandra and produced a boy baby instead of a girl.
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Keeper of Felix1) If Cruella is really that evil, is really so without limits in her ability to hurt others, why did the Chernobog go after Maleficent? The “Cruella cannot kill” restriction is irrelevant. It’s about her heart. And the “potential” should include Cruella’s potential to manipulate the author into giving her back, which she fully intended to do. Also, Maleficent clearly cares for her daughter. She has a vulnerable side. If we’re to believe this latest ep, Cruella doesn’t care about anyone, which also means she has no limits in what she can do.
I think it could be something along the lines of what Rumple said in season 2 “Cora is dangerous because she doesn’t have a heart, Regina is even more dangerous because she does”. In other words, Cruella is dangerous because she doesn’t love anything or anyone, Maleficent is more dangerous because she does have someone she loves and that person was taken from her.
4) Why is it fair to consider Cruella the worst of the worst when she was born like that/became evil at too young an age to know the difference? Was she born evil, did she become that way? Given she was a relatively sheltered child, at what point did she get the opportunity to experience “darkness” and see what it was like?
Children do know the difference between right and wrong. I think Cruella did have a strict upbringing, if her mother mothered the same way she trained dogs, so being told not do something probably only made Cruella want to do that thing. It’s highly likely Cruella’s mother told her not to touch the trumpet flowers in the garden because they were poisonous so Cruella did the exact opposite and poisoned her father. Once she had that taste of “darkness” Cruella wanted more.
5) Why the hell did her mother keep around after she killed her SECOND husband? It should have been pretty obvious by then what would happen. Why did she endanger the life of someone like that? Alice got sent to an institution for less.
Possible reasons include
1. Saving face
2. Cruella’s mother thought she could fix Cruella herselfHowever, it’s entirely possible that Cruella’s mother didn’t want to send her to an institution because institutions in that time period weren’t renowned for treating their inmates kindly and at the end of the day Cruella was still her daughter. Alice’s institution wanted to lobotomise her, who knew what they would do to Cruella.
9) Why would Emma feel so bad about killing her if she really was so beyond redemption? And she was threatening her child, so how could she have known? Cruella might not be able to take the lives of others directly or using her magic, but she can still put people in dangerous situations(like with Lily). She’s not harmless.
I don’t think Emma feeling bad is dependent on whether or not Cruella was beyond redemption. Emma would feel bad regardless because she has taken a life and since the hero mantra “heroes don’t kill” conveniently popped back up last episode, it’s going to make Emma question whether or not she is a hero now.
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Keeper of FelixI wish Neverland had been a full season arc. There is so much there to still explore or at least give it its own spinoff involving Hook, Tinkerbell, Baelfire, Pan, Felix, Wendy and possibly some new characters which can deal with the unanswered questions that the main show didn’t have time to answer.
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Keeper of FelixIt looks like they’re in the library.
Fate seems to be a big theme this half season.
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Keeper of FelixJust had a thought on the “Gold faces a crisis involving Belle” part. Since Belle will still be heartless at this point, it’s a golden opportunity to utilise Will, who has experience with being heartless, in a meaningful way. What if Rumple has to approach Will for help in some way for the sake of Belle’s wellbeing?
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