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Since Regina does have Belle’s heart and won’t be giving it back until Robin is safe as an insurance policy, the writers have a golden opportunity to utilise Will, who actually has experience with being heartless.
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Keeper of FelixI think the theory that Neverland prevented Hook from moving on from his revenge so he was always stuck in limbo with it is an interesting one, not least because it does actually give a reasonable explanation for why Hook seemingly moved on so quickly after the Emma kiss. It would also explain why Nealfire spent ages not forgiving Rumple then seemingly forgave him quickly.
Perhaps even Pan controlled Neverland that way? All the people that end up there are “lost” and Pan wants to keep them in that state therefore he can’t let them deal with their problems or issues and overcome them otherwise they wouldn’t be lost anymore.
Pan and Neverland didn’t let Hook move on from his revenge (also because Pan probably wanted Rumple out of the picture), when Hook managed to leave Neverland for the final time, he probably still had those feelings of vengeance to deal with, but the longer he spent away from Neverland the more he was able to deal with his issues and overcome them.
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Keeper of FelixRegina’s first words had better be “Robin, shut up and listen! Marian is dead, Zelena is just pretending to be her. Grab Roland and come with me right now! I’ll explain everything in the car.”
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Keeper of FelixWell what we saw on-screen was that Regina had Belle’s heart
Nope, we saw Regina holding a heart that she said was Belle’s.
We also saw when, after Belle said those horrible things, Rumple questioned that it wasn’t like her and Regina stepped out from behind a tree saying no but it was like HER. We also saw her say to Belle now run along and forget everything you’ve just heard then Belle ran along.
It was Belle’s heart. The only question regarding the heart is whether it was obtained with consent or not.
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Keeper of FelixI think Belle might be speaking to Rumple in that script tease.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOk…this whole Graham thing…I’m not justifying Regina raping him….it was a terrible thing to do that, yes, she is very responsible for. BUT…he did make a deal with the Evil Queen, and went back on it….had she blackmailed him, say she would kill every wolf in the kingdom if he didn’t co-operate, fine, but Graham knowingly made and broke a deal with the most dangerous, and more than likely evilest woman in all the land….and then tried to deceive her. It would have been so much better had he tried to make a run for it instead of going back.
I’m just saying that making a deal with the Evil Queen was a bad move in the first place for Graham…breaking it and then trying to deceive her makes matters only worse….it was a dangerous game that Graham was playing and unfortunately lost. Poor guy should have just made a run for it.
Your not justifying it BUT you are. It’s victim blaming. Regina should not have done what she did to Graham. That’s it no buts. With Graham, the fact that Regina took his heart was “punishment” enough, she didn’t then need to make him her sex-slave.
Why the elaborate scenarios for how Belle might be in on it that make little sense with either the ABC party line, or the episode itself? Is it out of a undying devotion to Regina, or out of some kind of deep loathing for Rumbelle, or a combination thereof?
When I watch a drama show, I keep two things in mind:
1. It’s only what we see on screen during an episode that’s authoritative.
2. Characters lie to each other.
OUAT is heavy on exposition, which I find dull and annoying, so I like to think about how the characters could be scheming to gain advantages over their adversaries.
Well what we saw on-screen was that Regina had Belle’s heart and was controlling it. She also squeezed it and threatened to crush it.
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Keeper of FelixHave I missed something? Is Neal being brought back? What’s going on?
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Keeper of FelixPart of me really hopes that Belle was in full control when she said “Will kisses better”.
Nope she wasn’t. Regina said as much.
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Keeper of FelixThis is funny because the argument is that somehow Regina is responsible for all of her choices despite being manipulated, but Leopold was not. There was no way Leopold could have been manipulated if he didn’t a) read Regina’s diary b) lock her in a tower c) ask the Genie to find the man who she was ‘in love with’.
It is interesting how people see two different things while watching the same source material.
I think what’s interesting is how Regina fans want Regina to achieve redemption but don’t want to acknowledge the bad things that she needs the redemption for. It’s a paradox. How can Regina redeem herself if she’s done nothing wrong and she was just being manipulated.
Regina is responsible for her own actions. She made the choices she did. She has to accept responsibility for them. “Rumple made me do it” isn’t accepting responsibility, it’s passing the blame. Rumple may have influenced Regina but at the end of the day, she chose to slaughter an entire village, she chose to send children to their deaths at the hand of the blind witch, she chose to make Graham her sex-slave.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
