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And @PriceofMagic, to think that what Regina did was despicable….Rumple knocked her unconscious, threatened her family, her soul mate and his son, held her captive, conspiring with her sister in order to try to black mail Regina into doing his dirty work again, and all she did was try to ensure that he behaved while she was gone, because lord knows NO ONE is safe from Rumple who would kill anyone to complete his work, and even played around with his grandson’s life to get the Author to agree….
Regina could’ve just ASKED Belle to talk to Rumple. The conversation between them was going well until Regina used Belle to say those nasty things. All Regina needed Rumple to do was not alert Zelena to the fact she was coming. Belle keeping Rumple occupied or even just taking the time to sit down and discuss things with him could’ve achieved that goal. Rumple is not Zelena’s biggest fan, he’s not going to go out of his way to save her. In fact if killing Cruella is what turns Emma dark, then Rumple didn’t need Regina at all, which means he doesn’t need Robin as leverage which means he’s not going be contacting Zelena to warn her which means Regina did not need to use Belle at all. She could’ve achieved the same results just by ASKING, no heart snatching required.
And so Regina can’t even try to get Emma to forgive her parents without looking like the bad guy…you know what…
That is completely wrong, and you know what…I just can’t!
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Keeper of FelixEmma’s red jacket is back!
Also it looks like Robin and Zelarian redecorated the apartment.
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Keeper of FelixDisagree. I think Rumple is actually going to lose his Dark One powers, and Emma is going to be the new Dark One and the next Big Bad.
I like both theories. If Emma is the new Dark One does that automatically make Lily the new Savior? Is the Savior the counterbalance to the Dark One? I like the idea of Rumple being the Big Bad because he knows so much about everyone in Storybrooke. He knows everyone’s secrets. Everyone’s buttons. Rumple completely off the leash would be extremely ‘world-altering’.
The only way for Rumple to truly become unhinged is if Belle dies. That would place Rumple as the next season’s big bad…unless he loses all hope and tricks Emma into killing him so he can die in peace and reunite with Belle and Neal in the afterlife, but then the ratings for Season 5 would be soooooo sooo sooo low…it’d more than likely be only half a season.
I agree. I think Rumple loses his dark one status which would be an interesting storyline to explore but whether or not the writers take the time and opportunity to go there is another matter.
while Barbara Hershey’s encore as Cora sets the stage for learning more about Regina’s past as well as “her present relationship with Robin,” Kitsis says.
“After what I had to do…the deals I had to make to get us this life, and you just wanna toss it away?” – Cora 1×18 The Stable Boy
Why am I getting the impression that Cora made a deal with the Author to keep Regina from ever meeting Robin Hood? If he wrote for Cruella to never kill again, whose to say he didn’t write for Regina to never meet Robin Hood.
This is also supposed to be the episode Lana teased a surprised shocker about Regina’s past.
Interesting theory, very interesting theory. However, isn’t Cora already in Wonderland at this point?
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Keeper of FelixPut me down for 30 cookies on Regina, 50 Cookies on Belle, and 10 cookies on Zelena being pregnant with RH’s babe too just to be sure.
Oh, yikes! Though… not impossible. I notice a glaring absence in this pronatalist speculation. 20 cookies on Emma.
Emma’s got too much going on to be pregnant plus I don’t think Hook and Emma have done the deed yet due to the fact that Emma’s still living at home in quite an open plan apartment and Snowing are always there.
Belle would be an interesting one but then they’d probably have a “who’s the daddy” storyline of is Rumple or Will the father. Again though, I don’t think Belle and Will have reached that stage in their “relationship” yet.
Regina is the most likely one plus there were some filming pics of Lana where her stomach seemed more pronounced than usual. If Regina is pregnant, then the witers have an opportunity to do a sibling rivalry storyline with Henry which in some ways would parallel the WickedSisters storyline.
If Zelena was pregnant with Robin’s baby, that would be quite the shocker and would no doubt prolong the OQ drama so isn’t as unlikely as it sounds. Zelena being pregnant would really set the cat amongst the pigeons.
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Keeper of FelixI’m going to say this is where everything goes wrong for young Emma and this is how she eventually winds up meeting Neal.
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Keeper of FelixBut this issue will be hotly debated among Regina and Rumple fans for weeks and months to come, because the writers (deliberately is seems) cut the scene of Regina taking Belle’s heart.
I’m not sure how any fan of Rumple’s has a case to make. I can understand people sympathizing with Belle, but she is a person totally outside of Rumple. I understand being a fan of both, but to get ‘Poor Rumple’ out of what happened to Belle is confusing to me. Rumple is no ones victim.
Rumple said his heart is blackening to the point where he will be unable to love anymore which he likens to a type of death. There is one red spot on his heart which is clearly his love for Belle. That one spot is probably the only thing that is preventing Rumple from burning Storybrooke to the ground with everyone in it all to see his goal accomplished. Regina then uses Belle in such a way that it could expunge that one spot. Rumple isn’t doing what he is for kicks, he’s doing it to try and prevent himself from becoming a true monster. Regina was using Belle to say those nasty things to Rumple. Would saying those things help save Robin? No. Would saying those things help defeat Zelena? No. That was Regina just being plain nasty because she was prissy over Robin. That’s how you get “poor Rumple” out of the situation.
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Keeper of FelixIf we’re talking about, “Does this make Emma dark?”, I thought it was justified. She was defending the life of her son – the person in her life who she has unconditional love for.
I agree. Emma killing Cruella doesn’t (and shouldn’t) count as a dark deed. If anything, what Emma did was actually a heroic deed: she acted to save a child (her child). I don’t see what Emma did as a crime, at all. She is a sheriff, whose duty it is it to protect the people of SB. She was upholding her responsibility, and sadly, sometimes the police have to use force when necessary. On top of that, she killed Cruella in defense of her own son against a woman who was certifiably insane. Emma had no way of knowing in advance that Cruella had been magically rendered incapable of killing anyone again. I really dislike the way the writers are trying to make Emma’s decision to act in defense of her own son tantamount to murder, because it’s not. A police-woman who acts to save a hostage by killing the would-be murderer (in this case Cruella), is not a villain, but a hero!
Where is this stupid platitude that “heroes don’t kill” even coming from? That is not true, at all, and isn’t how the real world works. Guess what? Everyday heroes must make life-and-death decisions on a daily basis. Sometimes the police have to take a life in order to save and protect innocent people. People in the armed forces, special forces, and police force sometimes have to kill in the line of duty to protect civilians.
I agree. Emma didn’t kill Cruella because she wanted to, she killed her because she had to in order to save Henry. Even then, the only reason Cruella died was because they were stood at the edge of a cliff when Emma blasted her back, if they had been stood in a flat field Cruella would’ve lived.
Emma didn’t kill Cruella, Gravity did!
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Keeper of FelixI think now the only question is if The Land Without Magic is also fictional. Maybe it is and the Author belong to our world and he is writing the TV show…
I hope not. I think once OUAT starts breaking the fourth wall, it loses its magic, jumps the shark and is completely and utterly ruined.
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Keeper of FelixPsycopathy/Sociopathy are normally the choice of mental illness for villains in the media. Cruella’s mother locking her in the attic actually makes sense because that is what a lot of people used to do with their “mad” relatives in the olden days
I’m starting to wonder if the writers are using mental health issues as the go to motivations in their villains because with the 11/11 split, they’ve not got the time to flesh them out as much as they should. Sticking a mental illness “label” on means they don’t have to write why a character is like they are, they’re like it because they’re a “psychopath” or a “sociopath” etc.
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Keeper of FelixFavourite:
Being right that the author and Cruella would be dancing to an instrumental version of Cruella de vil
Rumple dropping everything to go see Belle when she called him- He still loves her!
The author not being a bad person- I liked this twist.
Rumple revealing the real reason he’s back- So his heart won’t kill him but prevent him from loving which he likens to a type of death? Rumple just became a lot more sympathetic. I’m guessing that little patch of red left is for Belle which made the stunt Regina pulled despicable.
Hook- I liked that he tried to reason with Emma but didn’t try and tell her what to think.
Cruella playing angry birds- Loved this moment.
Mixed:
Emma still calling out Snowing on what they did- I like that Emma’s still angry at Snowing over the fact of what they did to an innocent baby instead of everything being treated as A-Okay. Also the fact that she called Regina out on holding a grudge for decades against Snow. However, as was pointed out by Hook and Regina, it’s hypocritical that Emma forgives them for their bad deeds but not her parents. Emma’s reasoning that Hook and Regina never claimed to be heroes when they did what they did is wrong. It also remains to be seen how forgiving everyone is of Rumple because he certainly doesn’t claim to be a hero.
Cruella- Cruella was my favourite of the QOD but this episode, I’m not sad she’s dead now. It was the skinning the dogs that did it if I’m honest.
Least Favourite:
Regina- Regina holds this category all by herself this episode for two reasons:
1. Stealing Belle’s heart and using her like she did- Belle didn’t give her heart willingly, you could tell because of the exact words “how can I help?” which was set up for Belle would “help” Regina by Regina stealing her heart and puppetting her. The conversation between RumBelle was going well and Rumple even admitted about soon not being able to love. That last red spot was clearly for Belle. So what did Regina do, but try and rub a lot of salt into the wound by having Belle say horrible things to Rumple all because Regina is prissy over Robin Hood. Regina’s actions could’ve destroyed that last red spot on Rumple’s heart at which point you would have an unloving, uncompassionate dark one on your hands with nothing holding him back from his grand master plan. Regina even SQUEEZED Belle’s heart (which I said she would to show she meant business), even just squeezing a heart cause great pain. The fact that Regina told Belle to forget everything and just run off home is further evidence that Belle did not consent. Regina’s actions were wrong, foolish and self-centred.
2. Basically saying that Emma should forgive Snowing because they said they were sorry- This says so much about Regina’s mind-set. Slaughter an entire village? Enslave a man as your sex-slave? Send numerous children to be eaten by a cannibal witch? Just say your sorry and they should forgive you. If they don’t, THEY’RE the ones at fault. Sorry does not wipe the slate clean.
Regina is almost as bad as Zelena.
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