Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
On Hook’s celibacy, this has always been very difficult for me to judge because we haven’t really seen canon proof that he was ever unfaithful to Milah’s memory. Now we know he was running errands for Pan, buying cupcakes and sweets in general to keep the Lost Boy’s fed, but for all we know, that’s how these trips worked. Business as usual. I can’t see Hook using this time for a little dalliance. Maybe a little R&R, like what we saw in the tavern. Beer, just chilling. But no dalliances.
I kind of agree and disagree. He took Emma back to his ship and I believe that was with the intention of sex. This Hook was pre-Emma Hook so it wouldn’t be because it was Emma as such. I don’t think Hook necessarily slept around as much as he could’ve or as much as would be expected of a pirate but I do think if a particular woman caught his eye occasionally, he might have engaged in a one night stand every now and then. Hook has been portrayed as a bit of a womaniser pre-Emma so I don’t think he was 100% celibate between Milah’s death and meeting Emma but he wasn’t putting it out there at every opportunity.
We know for sure nothing sexual happened while in Neverland. (There is Tink, but I get a more big brother/little sister vibe). Other than that, I don’t see where anything could have happened.
I disagree about the big brother/little sister vibe for the reason that in The New Neverland, after Hook had “stepped back” to allow Neal a chance with Emma, he tried it on with Tinkerbell. I don’t think that would’ve been something Hook would do towards a woman he viewed as a “little sister”.
I think something happened in Neverland between them but I don’t think it was anything deep and meaningful. Possibly a “friends with benefits” type deal?
Plus, during the lost year that Hook was separated from Emma, Once could have shown us that he had one-night stands with bar wenches. But he didn’t even do that. He remained faithful to Emma’s memory. We don’t know if that brunette Smee got for him was the first bar wench or the only one, but I like to think that every time Smee got them a girl for Hook, he just kept paying them to say they had a good time and he just hung out somewhere else for an hour.
I think that girl was probably the first, otherwise Hook was allowing his crew to waste their money repeatedly on something he had no interest in.
I like to think that when he is in truly in love with a woman, Milah or Emma, that is it for him. He’s not going to mess around with anyone else. He’s devoted and that’s not a bad quality to have in a man and or a partner.
What I think is interesting about the Hook/Milah situation in my fic is that it’s not just some random woman, it’s Milah. Of course Hook would never cheat on Emma with a random woman. But Milah was his first great love so her showing up again puts him in a spin.
What I am wary of is I don’t want it to look like Hook is pressurising Emma into sex and then getting it elsewhere because Emma won’t sleep with him then it having connotations of being “Emma’s fault”. What I’m going for is Hook gets drunk, Hook makes a bad judgement, Hook regrets it then has to deal with the consequences.
[adrotate group="5"]All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixIf *if* we fall lower than a 1.5 this week, then we’re looking at dissatisfaction with *some* storyline–it’s hard to pinpoint which one, but I’d say that a bigger drop is indicative of the audience not liking something.
*whispers* OQ.
If as you say, a drop in ratings is indicative of how the previous episode was received, then I think it would be fair to say that bringing back the OQ and Zelena storyline is possibly something the audience isn’t liking.
Out of interest, what are the ratings like for 4B compared to 3B and 4A?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixBelle isn’t being hurt, she’s in no danger, rump isn’t going to do anything that will cause harm to her, Regina will not crush her heart, and by taking it Regina is stopping Rump from doin what he is doing. Now if regina were planning on killing Belle then I’d understand where you guys are coming from but I am sure Belle’s heart will be returned safe and soundly soon enough.
The thing is though, in order to make Rumple back down, Regina has to make him think she does indeed plan to harm Belle. Because Regina has been palling around with the heroes, there is less inclination to believe Regina when she says she’s going to harm Belle because Regina is supposedly a “hero” now. Therefore Regina is probably going to have to put on a little demonstration for Rumple that she mean business. And where does that leave Belle? Once again Regina is using her as a pawn in a power play against Rumple. Regina is seemingly disregarding the fact that Belle is an actual person with hopes and dreams and feelings and just sees her as a “thing” to use against Rumple. Belle is going to experience pain during the “demonstration”.
You’re hoping the conversation will go like this:
Regina: Back down Rumple or I’ll crush Belle’s heart.
Rumple: Okay.Later
Regina: Here’s your heart back, Belle!
Belle: Thanks Regina!Here’s how I think the conversation will go:
Regina: Back down Rumple or I’ll crush Belle’s heart.
Rumple: You’re bluffing, you’re a hero now. And what was that patronising speech you gave to me in 3B? “Heroes don’t kill”
Regina: Shut up Rumple! I’m not bluffing, see? (Squeezes Belle’s heart)
Rumple: Okay, just stop squeezing already.Meanwhile
Belle: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the pain!
I know this is something everyone wont agree with and I’d love to hear other options (and im really asking for other options out of curiosity) that Regina could take in this situation. Going after Rumps dagger is a good option but not realistic because no way Rump just keeps it laying around. This is the next best sure fire thing that’ll keep him in line.
Regina ASKING Belle to borrow her heart would make this situation less bad but as someone (Slurpeez I think) pointed out, it says “steals” which implies without consent.
Regina could ASK Belle to talk to Rumple. Belle is the only one Rumple would remotely listen too. Regina actually treating Belle as a person would go a long way.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixAnd for those relationships that are seemingly still there and redeemed — say, Henry and Regina — the message is that they are simply not enough. It’s fine to pursue a romantic interest, don’t get me wrong, but insofar as the heart of the show was about the complexities of family, by now Henry has been made more or less irrelevant. His presence in the show is, for lack of a better word, perfunctory, except when he’s occasionally used as a (bad) plot device.
I agree. This is one of the reasons why I find it hard to ship OQ. Regina has always been very Henry-centred. Everything she did was about Henry. Now she’s all about Robin to the extent that Henry is literally a walking talking plot device to prop up Regina’s now OQ focussed storyline. Granted, in the first two seasons, Henry’s age prevented him from having any real storylines but now that he’s older he should be doing more. Jared Gilmore can act, as seen with Panry, but Henry is doing less than he did in season 1. He had a purpose in season 1, now it’s just “Henry walks into a scene, Henry says or does something to move the plot along, Henry leaves the scene”.
As you say, it’s fine to pursue a romantic interest, but not to the point where your whole character becomes about being with that love interest. Robin’s character has been absolutely destroyed to make OQ happen, Regina’s character is being dragged down by it too. There is nothing to Robin’s character outside of OQ. It’s such a shame they took Regina, a strong, feisty, independent woman, and turned her into a pining whiner who can’t accept responsibility for her actions whenever Robin is on the scene.
Now that I really think about it… I think S2 was the only season that got better in some sense than the season before it.
And even that is debatable among fans.
I liked s3, hated S4a, like 4b in some way, but yeah, no, OUAT isn’t one of those “Its gets better the more you watch” kind of shows.
I liked 3A except Good Form and Ariel, 3B wasn’t bad but had big problems and wasn’t as good as 3A, 4A was too Frozen focussed and started character assassination, 4B started well then brought back Robin and the OQ drama.
I’ve said it before, but I honestly think the 11/11 split has been bad for Once in the quality of storytelling. There is no time to let characters react to major events, there is no time to flesh out newly introduced characters, there is no time to let characters emote or express their feelings.
Neal’s death should’ve been treated as a major event in the show’s mythology, especially as “Finding Baelfire” was a major part of Season 1 and half of Season 2 and the aftermath continuing through the other half of season 2 and 3A. A lot of characters’ actions could be attributed to the fallout of Neal’s death: Rumple’s slip back into darkness- Rumple falling back onto what’s familiar and also having a crisis that no good deed goes unpunished, Emma jumping into a relationship with Hook- She doesn’t want to confront her pain over the true loss of Neal, Henry focussing on getting Regina’s happy ending- he doesn’t want another parent to die without a happy ending. Instead: Rumple’s backslide is all about power, Emma’s relationship with Hook is all about “twue wuv”, Henry’s focus on Regina’s happy ending is because he doesn’t give a damn.
The complicated, nuanced, LAYERED characters we had in season 1 and 2 are now gone in favour of Plot! Shiny! New Villain! Ship! Rinse and Repeat!
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSneak peek 3
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI think Beta couples are more popular with audiences than Alpha couples because they’re NOT being shoved down the audience’s throats all the time. The audience wants to see more of them. For example, in Season 1, Snowing was the alpha couple and RumBelle was the beta couple.
Currently CS and OQ are the alpha couples on the show and they are being rammed down the audience’s throat. Whereas at least CS had something resembling a form of build up, OQ is just being flung at the audience by the writers at every opportunity and being told they have to like this ship “because pixie dust said so”. There is no build up, there is no emotional connection.
Hook has no storyline outside of CS, Regina’s storyline is predominantly OQ whenever Robin is on the scene. It is a real shame in Regina’s case that this one strong independent woman is now reduced to pining over a man when she’s not with him, that her happy ending has to involve a man, her whole life is now revolving around being with this man.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixEither way, Regina is stealing Belle’s heart, against her will, so it’s still a morally dubious thing Regina does. Even if it’s done for the sake of saving Robin, Regina taking Belle’s heart by force just doesn’t sit well with me. If Belle never learns of Regina’s stealing of her heart, and therefore Regina never gets caught and/or never apologizes, then it becomes an even bigger moral issue.
I agree. Regina’s treatment of Belle is terrible. I never bought Regina’s apology to Belle in 3B, and her stealing Belle’s heart only proves that she doesn’t give a damn about Belle.
Regina’s been alright in 4B with Robin out of the picture. Why is it the moment he’s reintroduced into the story, Regina’s character development starts going down the drain?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixHang on…if she is powerless without her pendant, how is she using magic now? (Other than the 6-leaf clover, I know the power of transformation comes from that.)
Zelena had power before the pendant, the pendant only made her more powerful. So I think without the pendant, Zelena still has magic, it’s just not as powerful as it could be. Zelena’s natural power is like a battery, it has to be charged up before she can use it. The pendant was like plugging something into the mains.
Notice how Glinda didn’t warn Zelena about not taking the pendant off until AFTER she had it around Zelena’s neck.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixHades wife is Persephone
Oh crap. Both begin in P and end in E so close enough 😛
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixHowever, I doubt Belle removes her own heart or gives it willingly. Look at the way the spoiler is worded:
As for Regina, she steals Belle’s heart. She believes the Evil Queen needs to do what she does best in order to save the people she loves.
Regina stealing Belle’s heart implies (1) Regina takes Belle’s heart by force and (2) Belle is powerless to stop it since she lacks magic. I think Belle is just being used as a pawn against Rumple in a power struggle, as a way of protecting Robin. In S1, Regina frequently used Belle as a pawn to try and break Rumple’s curse with TLK, Regina kidnapped and imprisoned Belle in the EF, and Regina held Belle prisoner for 28 years in the hospital basement. Regina has never respected Belle’s agency or her personhood, let alone her freedom. Regina is resorting to her own Evil Queen tactics.
Dammit you’re right. So the question becomes is Belle aware that Regina took her heart or was she unconscious when Regina took it? Just thought, what if the RumBelle script tease is AFTER Regina took Belle’s heart. Rumple is checking if it’s true and Belle being all unemotional when she sees him would be all the evidence he needs.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
