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The RumBelle scene- Loved this scene, RumBelle forever.
The author being a job not a person- I liked that the author is only meant to record rather than dictate and that it was the recent author manipulating things then recording them rather than dictating everyone’s actions from the off.
Cruella- Cruella continues to be awesome, the show really needs to keep her.
Rumple knew Regina was faking all along and was just waiting for her to slip up- I’m glad this was addressed, it seemed too unbelievable that Regina was so easily accepted within the villain group.
Maleficent asking Rumple to show her what happened to her child- I think this scene was emotionally layered because essentially it was a request from one parent to another. I also think the ghost of Bae was present in this scene for Rumple as “a child lost to the land without magic” is a callback to the Rumple/Bae story of season 1 and 2. I wish Bae’s name would be mentioned though because it seems like the writers want to go there and explore the emotional impact of Bae’s death but then lose the nerve at the last moment.
Mixed:
The twist that the author was up to no good and the sorcerer is the good guy- Seems a little obvious with the set up in hindsight. What I don’t get though is why the apprentice had to go through with the spell, was he being controlled to do it?
Disliked:
Hook getting jealous over Emma’s friendship with August- CS has always been a bit iffy for me depending on the season (3B is the only time I really supported CS) but Hook getting jealous over August is a bit of a red flag in my opinion. Emma shouldn’t have to justify herself to Hook over August. The fact that she feels she does implies that Hook doesn’t really trust her to be friends with a guy without something else going on. Then towards the end, it felt like Hook was giving his blessing/permission for Emma to be friends with August. Emma doesn’t need Hook’s consent to do anything least of all who she can/can’t be friends with. That just seemed a bit too controlling on Hook’s part for my liking.
Snowing especially Snow- First of all they’re having a whispered conversation about how Emma can’t find out when they’re stood in the middle of the room with Emma literally about two feet away and Henry is watching them. Then Snow walks out as if that wasn’t suspicious. Charming wants to burn the page to protect their secret but Snow is all “but Regina won’t get her happy ending”. This is classic Snow not seeing the bigger picture outside her own self-interests. In flashback, Snow’s actions were even worse. She stole Maleficent’s child because it wasn’t “a baby” so they could pour Emma’s potential darkness into it. That alone is a terrible thing to do but Snow seemed to think it was okay because they were going to give the egg back. Really Snow? Really? You’re going to doom someone else’s offspring to a life of evil but you’re happy to do that so long as they’re handed back to the parent? Also why are Snowing wondering around alone when they are the king and queen? Snowing are terrible rulers.
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Keeper of FelixAre you all basing the fact that young Lily is Latina because of the way the actress looks or because you know the actress is a Latina? If you’re basing it on knowing that the actress is a Latina, and projecting that onto the character of Lily then that isn’t the show’s fault.
You make a good point. Ideally they should’ve cast a latina actress to play older Lily since young Lily was played by a latina actress so continuity wise it would’ve made sense. However, if Agnes was the best person for the job and they’ve made her look enough like the younger actress in order to pass as the same person then I’ve got no complaints. There was nothing specifically within the character that suggested she was latina other than the actress being latina so it is slightly different to the character of Mulan where her race is a part of her character.
That said, Once does have an unfortunate track record when it comes to POC characters where they are either killed off or sent off screen never to be seen again. Bashful is Filipino and the character is still around, however we’ve not seen him in a while but that could just be because all the recurring characters had their screen time cut down. We’ve not seen Granny or the other dwarves in a while (with the exception of Sneezy last episode). Lana is latina so the show does have a prominent POC actress so it isn’t all “white” casting. Thing is though, and I hesitate to say this, but is the real issue not so much lack of racial diversity as such (though there is room for improvement) but lack of skin colour diversity?
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Keeper of FelixOne family dynamic that definitely wasn’t given the screentime or attention it deserved was that of Belle and Neal.
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Keeper of FelixOh Lily
Why in the NAME OF HECK* did Rumple have to wait for a woman with exactly the right temperament and talent… then slowly train and corrupt her… and then manipulate her into casting a curse to cross over to Earth to get to Baelfire… when he could’ve accomplished the exact same thing by befriending a mermaid? I beg of you, do not spend precious energy considering that question. You could be learning Latin root nouns in those precious, finite seconds instead.
From Screwball Ninja’s fix a plot hole head canon:
Rumple pissed off a mermaid, and in retaliation she swore that no mermaid would ever open a portal for him anywhere
So true. So very very true.
What’s most frustrating is that if the writers really want to wax lyrical about how much Hook has changed etc, why not take the opportunity to actually show how bad Hook used to be in order to emphasise how much he has changed? It seems like what they set up in season 2 and 3A has now been white washed because the writers haven’t got the balls to make Hook look bad. Prime example being Hook doing Pan’s “dirty work”. Whilst it would be totally within Pan’s character to send Hook on pointless errands just for the fun of it, fetching cakes is hardly “dirty work”. I was expecting something along the lines of murder and kidnapping. (Also, plot hole- Hook said he was looking for a way to kill Rumple but hadn’t Bae already told him about the dagger at this point? And straight on ’til morning implied Hook was still fairly new to Neverland as he wasn’t under Pan’s thumb yet)
I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m sadly starting to fall out of love with Once unfortunately. I’ll still watch it to series end because I’ve come this far so I’m not about to quit now, but I don’t love it like I used to. The writers seem determined to destroy RumBelle and dance on its grave for no other reason than trying to push CS and OQ to the forefront. The writing for Rumple has become lazy and two dimensional, the only reason I still root for Rumple as a character (and RumBelle as a ship) is because of Bobby’s tremendous acting, Bobby’s and Emilie’s amazing chemistry and the strength of the writing of Rumple in season 1 and 2. Even Belle is suffering but once again it’s EMilie’s acting and the previous writing of the character which are carrying the show. Every thing is now plot driven instead of character driven, there is not enough time in 11 episodes to explore any deep issues which are skimmed across at best. It’s been refreshing not to have OQ in every episode, if only the writers would take a step back from CS. I’m fed up of CS, I’m fed up Emma basically being told not to worry her pretty little head about any of Hook’s past misdeeds and Emma accepting it. Emma should know about Hook’s past even if only for the reason that it could come back to bite them in the present day. Hook made bad choices, Hook did bad things, why can’t the show actually show that instead of trying to present Hook as a poor misunderstood soul. The show has lost it’s heart, not just in terms of Neal but also with Henry and the family dynamic. What is Henry now other than a walking talking plot device?
Neal’s death was a terrible creative decision. If MRJ had decided to jump ship thus making the death unavoidable, then fair enough, but a) be honest about it ie the actor wanted to leave the shoe and pursue other things and it wouldn’t be true to the character of Baelfire for him to just up and leave his son, and b) if this was supposed to be a death that has a lasting impact on the story, at least have the characters emote how this loss has affected them for better or for worse. As it stands, the 3 people the death should’ve affected the most are carrying on as if it never happened. People deal with grief in different ways, not talking about it is something people actually do but at least show that the reason they’re not talking about it is because it is too painful for them to talk about. As it stands, Henry is unbothered, Rumple just decided to be evil one day, and Emma couldn’t care less because she’s too enamoured with Hook all of a sudden. Hook is really annoying me with his whole revenge against Rumple shtick. He’s over Milah, his original valid reason for revenge to the point that he’s practically “Milah who?” when it comes to mentioning her. Hook’s revenge is now based on the fact that he just doesn’t like Rumple getting one over on him, Hook wants to be top dog no matter what.
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Keeper of FelixBlue Fairy is certainly shady. She seems to have convinced herself she’s working on the side of the greater good. Yet, she’s also a hypocrite and known liar. She said fairies don’t lie, but then she lied to Snow White and Prince Charming about the enchanted wardrobe only being able to transport one person when in fact, it could transport two. What’s to stop her from lying again?
Screwball Ninja had some fix a plot hole head canons involving Blue Fairy that make sense and would throw serious shade on Blue Fairy if true:
The Blue Fairy had King Leo and young Snow under her magical protection until Snow turned 21, which is why Regina had to wait decades for her revenge
The Blue Fairy tightly regulates the supply of remaining magic beans, but because she can see the future she chucked them at Rumple a bunch of times (she gave a bean to the Spinners to get young Rumple out of the way, she gave Baelfire another bean for the same reason)
The Blue Fairy made a deal with Pan: he gives her a steady supply of pixie dust and she ignores all those missing children
The Blue Fairy made a deal with the ogres: if they leave certain royal families alone whose bloodlines are important to future generations, they can eat the peasants (what, you thought none of the kids in Baelfire’s time wished upon a star not to be eaten by ogres?)
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Keeper of FelixIt’s down to the final four. SwanQueen are the last Once couple left and our currently losing their battle. Shamy were unfortunately knocked out.
I think the winner this year will be Clarke and Lexa from The 100. They’ve won every battle they’ve been in by a comfortable percentage and even knocked out the couple that knocked out Destiel.
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Keeper of FelixThis is was a fairly reasonable episode for me in which there wasn’t anything that really stood out as I liked that or I didn’t like that. This episode was consistent throughout. With that said:
Liked:
Ursula’s backstory and her reunion with her father- It’s so nice that they didn’t kill off Ursula and let her get her happy ending. Unfortunately another POC falls by the wayside as is the habit with Once.
Will’s “small ship” jibe- I enjoyed it because it was aimed at Hook which suggests that the character isn’t on a pedestal where everyone thinks he’s perfect just because he’s Hook. Also I used a “ship” joke in the caption thread ages ago so for me it was a “ha, I did it first!” moment.
August- I enjoyed seeing August back and hope him and Emma do get to sit down and have a good talk especially if Nealfire is discussed.
Rumple torturing August- It sounds bad but I liked Rumple’s efficiency in getting an answer out of August. It wasn’t prolonged.
Continuity is addressed- For example, Ursula not being the Ursula we saw in season 3. Also I was right about Ursula being named after her.
Mixed:
Ariel- It seemed like a waste of a character when they could’ve had Hook rescued some other way. It was nice to see Ariel but still, unless they have her interact with Belle next episode. Also, it rehashes the Ariel and Eric separated plot from 3B.
Disliked:
Present day Hook seeking revenge on Rumple- My issue with it is that the reason behind Hook’s original revenge was Milah. Now that Hook’s moved on, his reason for revenge seems less sincere and more petty. It’s less “the dark one killed the woman I love” and more “the dark one got one over on me, I can’t let him get away with it”. Hook needs to, in Elsa’s words, let it go.
Past Hook not being as villainous as he was previously established- You’d think the writers would want to show how bad Hook used to be in order to emphasise how much he has changed for the better but apparently not. This hesitance makes Hook’s line “I used to be a villain” seem somewhat shallow. Timeline wise, this flashback takes place long before the season 2 flashback where Hook smacks Belle unconscious. What changed to make Hook go from not taking Ursula’s voice (at least initially) even though he was offered a chance at revenge, to smacking Belle unconscious just because she wouldn’t help him in his revenge?
Rumple and the QoD not seeing that Regina is the mole- The others don’t trust Regina enough to tell her their full plan yet they don’t think she’s a mole when they nearly get busted by the heroes? Regina’s so shifty when she’s undercover, did it seriously not cross anyone’s mind that Regina might be undercover? Seriously? This lack of awareness is so obviously plot driven, it doesn’t make sense.
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Keeper of FelixI realized this as I was typing a reply about the Author being trapped behind the door.
Potential plot hole: Why doesn’t Henry remember the picture of the Author’s door being in his book? August said he’d removed the page from Henry’s book, which sequentially, would’ve been after Henry had already read the book cover to cover at least a dozen times. Unless August was lying again about where he got the illustration of the door, it stands to reason that Henry should’ve seen that image before.
My question is, if the author is trapped in the book behind a door, why is it showing it as a door in Jefferson’s hat instead of as just a random door on a random page?
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Keeper of FelixAurora believed that it had only been a year since she was cursed in season 2 which Mulan had to reveal it had actually been 30 years. Since Regina was no where near casting the dark curse in 414, Aurora must’ve been cursed twice, especially as where she woke up in season 2 looked nothing like where she fell asleep in this episode.
In Fruit of the poisonous tree, Regina was still playing the innocent card before she had Leopold killed and revealed her true colours. Snow was then exiled to banditry. We know she met Charming whilst Belle was still at the dark castle and her relationship with Rumple had progressed to banter. Belle helped Philip in the Outsider which was after Skin Deep and Regina was full on Evil Queen at that point and hunting down Snow.
Enter the Dragon is definitely before Fruit of the Poisonous Tree. Regina is the continuity issue because her behaviour and attitude is not that of someone plotting murder. Regina was taking away everything Snow loved, the horse was first, Leopold would be the next thing.
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Keeper of FelixHe’s still pretty much full on villain atm, but I’m not quite ready to give up on him.
I agree Keb. I think Rumple’s look was conflicted as well. He wants Belle back but he also wants her to be happy and at the moment he thinks Will makes her happy. Rumple has always let Belle go because he thinks she’s better off without him, I can see him contemplating doing the same again.
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