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All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixNeal’s death could’ve worked really well and been a game-changer for the show if the writers had given the proper attention to it and allowed the characters to actually process it and grieve. Had they had an overarching villain (like a slow build over the course of the whole series), Neal’s death would’ve really raised the stakes.
Instead it was forgotten and ignored because it would’ve hurt the believability of CS. If a relationship needs a lot of tweeks to happen to make it work, it wasn’t a good choice to begin with.
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Keeper of FelixJanus
I know that name through Goldeneye.
My guesses:
The better half
Our worst selves
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Keeper of FelixAlso S2 214 happens in early 2012 so Henry could not have 11 by then, and rumple even dreamed in celebrating henry birthday in that vision he had of killing Hnery.
One year pass, they are still in 2013 no way Henry can have 13 years only like they say.
Keb would probably be the best to clarify the timeline.
Does 214 happen early 2012? We know Skin Deep is early 2012 since it is valentines day but that’s back in season 1.
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Keeper of FelixI certainly wouldn’t go so far as to surmise Hook and Emma were getting it on in the graveyard,
Yes. The change in day was poor planning on the shooting department. That’s all. There is nothing sexual going on in the graveyard. I agree that it’s over blown.
I don’t put it past the writers to actually do that and think it the most romantic thing ever that Hook and Emma were lost to the throes of passion and reacquainted themselves with each other.
Considering the fact that A and E won’t even explicitly say whether or not Emma and Hook have consummated their relationship is telling. It means they aren’t thinking that way. Sorry, but I do think you’re overthinking this part. It’s just more inconsistency that has to do with poor planning on the filming schedule. Nothing more.
I can accept that explanation.
Do you think A&E have had enough of OUAT? It used to be crafted so well but recently it just kind of feels slap-dashed together. There’s no continuity, it’s all about the arc of the moment.
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Keeper of FelixHenry never said in the pilot “i am 10 years old” all he said was “10 years ago did you give a baby up for adoption?” He could have been 9 and a half but rounded up his age to be a perfect 10.
Either way, she said she was 18 when she had a baby in the price of goldDidn’t Regina say he was 10?
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Keeper of FelixI certainly wouldn’t go so far as to surmise Hook and Emma were getting it on in the graveyard, but it was certainly in poor taste to film the reunion there. While it might make sense for Hook to be resurrected there, seeing how his body was buried there (as far as anything can be said to make sense on this show), it’s highly insensitive for the writers to film his resurrection scene almost directly after Regina said goodbye to Robin. I speculate the writers are purposefully trying to ignite drama in some misguided way of maintaining an “interesting story” that people watch. It’s the same misguided thinking that the writers apply to setting fans of Hook and CS against fans of Rumple and Rumbelle. Fans of CS and OQ had no reason to be at odds with one another before, whereas now they have just reason to be. One person died as a direct result of Emma trying to save the pirate. I am more than a little annoyed even though I’m not a big fan of OQ or of Robin in general. But it does leave a bad taste in my mouth that yet another father died in order to let the pirate live. It’s like Neal’s death all over agin.
I am honestly torn on whether or not Emma and Hook did “get it on” in the graveyard. On the one hand, it would be in such bad taste for them to do that and surely you’d think the writers would realise that too. However, on the other hand, the way Emma, Hook and CS have been written recently, I don’t put it past the writers to actually do that and think it the most romantic thing ever that Hook and Emma were lost to the throes of passion and reacquainted themselves with each other.
I think it would’ve been more powerful to have everyone including Emma head to Granny’s after the funeral. After they’ve left Hook comes back in the graveyard, he sees Robin’s grave and realises the price that has been paid to bring him back. He makes his way to Granny’s where Robin’s wake is taking place. Everyone is surprised to see him, Emma rushes to embrace him and Regina sits there shocked and heartbroken.
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Keeper of FelixThe Neal haters are at it again… if anyone has tumblr back me up. Emma was 29 in season 2 if Henry was 11 right? “11 years ago” means 29-11=18 and she was 18 when she met Neal. Of course there are other cannon facts, but as we see A & E are bad at calculations so bothe Emma and Neal were teens or both were adults.
The issue regarding Emma’s age comes about because in the Pilot, Emma was celebrating her 28th birthday and Henry said he was already 10. It’s a case of writers can’t do maths because even if Henry’s birthday was on Emma’s birthday therefore making him 10 when she was 28, he would’ve still have had to be conceived before her 18th birthday.
2. It was light when Hook reappeared yet dark when Emma walked into the diner. What the hell were CS doing that took that long? I think CS did more than just kiss and Robin’s coffin was the only flat surface that wouldn’t be wet from the rain. Considering how selfish and self-absorbed Emma has been lately, it wouldn’t surprise me if she and Hook had sex on Robin’s coffin.
This is the type of over-blowing I was talking about.
And have you guys watched the scene again? Robin’s coffin is never showed once Emma runs in and embraces Hook. All their kisses, and no coffin in the background. At the end of the scene, they show the coffin in the background, but that’s so Emma and Hook can turn around, and have Emma acknowledge what the backfire was here and that not every one made it.
The coffin was there all along. Just because it wasn’t on screen doesn’t mean it wasn’t there when Hook and Emma were making out. It didn’t scuttle off so they could kiss then scuttle back when they’d finished. The funeral had literally just finished about 2 minutes before Hook and Emma started making out.
Also what do you suggest they did? A passionate kiss then cut to black is screen code for sex, it’s how many films and television shows can imply sex happens without having to show it and still keep a more family friendly rating.
I seriously doubt Emma and Hook just sat there talking, and they didn’t head straight to Granny’s because everyone else was settled when Emma turned up rather than having just got there. What else could account for the time difference when the last we saw CS were passionately kissing?
I think there was still some emotional understanding there, especially as they continue to embrace each other in the final seconds, realizing how lucky there are as they continue to stare at Robin’s coffin. You guys are acting like Hook showed up, and Emma completely forgot about Robin and where she was in the cemetery, and the grief she was dealing with right before Hook showed up. When in fact, that’s not what happened at all.
The way Emma has been written the last few seasons? I think that is exactly what happened. Emma’s character now revolves around Hook. So long as Hook’s okay she doesn’t give a damn about anyone else.
And as far as the shot itself goes, I think the writers were really trying to hammer home the concept of one life was lost, one was saved. And it was still her fault.
If that was what they were going for then they failed miserably. Emma doesn’t bat an eyelid or feel any immense guilt once Hook is back because she got what she wanted (though this seems to be a family trait).
And I think they absolutely accomplished that with Snow and Emma’s conversation at the funeral, and then when Emma shows Hook what the consequence was for her actions to bring him back. To me, anyone who found a huge problem with this scene, is bitter about Hook returning period. It’s hard for me not to think that way, especially after the quote above. And the writers are right. Some people loved it, and some hated it. You can’t please everyone. What do you want them to say? Sheesh.
Hook coming back was inevitable, nobody actually thought he was going to stay dead. But there is such a thing as time and place. How would you feel if the love of your life was dead and your best friend was making out with her boyfriend at his funeral? Maybe they’d gone on a sailing trip together, the boat sunk, both were missing. Your lover’s body was found whilst your best friend’s boyfriend was missing and presumed dead. Only he reappears alive and well at your lover’s funeral, whose coffin isn’t even in the ground yet, then your best friend and him start making out. Would you really honestly consider that acceptable? Even if it was your best friend’s idea to send your lover on that sailing trip in the first place?
To me, anyone who doesn’t have ANY reservation about that CS scene is very naïve and perhaps needs to get off their high horse rather than calling others “bitter” for pointing out how inappropriate it was.
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Keeper of FelixI agree pretty much with RG.
The kiss itself wasn’t the problem, it was inevitable that there was going to be a make out session, but the time and place was so inappropriate.
As RG pointed out, Emma was so close to the realisation that her actions have consequences (a lesson Henry needs to learn so very badly) and Hook showing up and everything being okay again because Emma got what SHE wanted really stunts Emma’s character growth (Not that it’s progressed much since season 3).
It was so inappropriate for CS to make out where they did. The trouble is the more you think about it, the worse Emma’s actions are.
1. The funeral had literally just finished when Hook reappeared. Robin’s coffin wasn’t even in the ground when CS decided to make out.
2. It was light when Hook reappeared yet dark when Emma walked into the diner. What the hell were CS doing that took that long? I think CS did more than just kiss and Robin’s coffin was the only flat surface that wouldn’t be wet from the rain. Considering how selfish and self-absorbed Emma has been lately, it wouldn’t surprise me if she and Hook had sex on Robin’s coffin.
3. Regina is heartbroken over Robin’s death. Emma walks into the diner saying she needs to talk to Regina. Two seconds later Hook comes rushing in. Emma couldn’t even give Regina one day to grieve. Was Emma seriously expecting to just go “Regina, just so you know Hook’s back, and here he is now”?
The whole CS kiss was just in poor taste especially given the surroundings.
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